Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 2nd Feb 2010 23:25 UTC, submitted by Chicken Blood
Apple The beauty of the internet is such that every opinion has become worthless; this goes doubly so for those with publish buttons on (relatively, we're humble) major websites. For every opinion, there's a matching counter-opinion, and that's great. Yesterday, we linked to an article by Mark Pilgrim about tinkerers and the iPad, and of course, someone was bound to disagree with that one.
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RE[3]: Now that's Sniveling!
by cb_osn on Wed 3rd Feb 2010 11:30 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Now that's Sniveling! "
cb_osn
Member since:
2006-02-26

what the hell are you talking about?
how is the iPad different ? you've never seen a tablet pc before? Cause they've been around for 10 years, mind you.

Yes, they have been around for a while. And yes, they've been a monumental failure because they've been shackled to a decades old interface paradigm that simply doesn't work for a touch based device. The iPad is different because it tosses the old stuff out the window and provides a platform for building software that is designed from the ground up for that form factor and interaction model. The difference is hugely significant.

Have you seen the anti-intel TPM video? that's the same story, except they don't even need to cover it under the claims of greater security anymore.

Oh please. I'm well aware of the implications of a DRM controlled future and I don't wish for it anymore than you do. I praise Apple's move with the iPad because it will shatter long held expectations about what computing is and possibly can be-- not for their creation of a closed ecosystem. I fully expect that once the hysterics die down, everyone will see the chasm that they've opened and that new ideas, both proprietary and open, will come forth.

Such people as you, which are called sheeps, are the reason for most things going wrong in this world. Time to get off your eye protections and look around.

Judging from your post, I'm sure you don't have the depth of understanding to make such statements.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

And yes, they've been a monumental failure because they've been shackled to a decades old interface paradigm that simply doesn't work for a touch based device.


Uhm, special touch/tablet interfaces have been designed ages ago, and even brought to market.

http://www.guidebookgallery.org/books/thepowerofpenpoint/chapter2

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RE[5]: Now that's Sniveling!
by cb_osn on Wed 3rd Feb 2010 12:34 in reply to "RE[4]: Now that's Sniveling! "
cb_osn Member since:
2006-02-26

Uhm, special touch/tablet interfaces have been designed ages ago, and even brought to market.

http://www.guidebookgallery.org/books/thepowerofpenpoint/chapter2

Quite right. There have been many attempts at a proper tablet. Even your beloved Be was working on the WebPAD: http://tinyurl.com/ykbyuxz

But they were all well before their time and none of their associated companies had the weight to push a new platform. Apple does.

It's also clear from the context of _xmv's post that he/she was talking about Tablet PCs, meaning those that began shipping around 10 years ago and came with Windows. They are also the only tablets that have been even marginally successful.

Edited 2010-02-03 12:39 UTC

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RE[4]: Now that's Sniveling!
by _xmv on Wed 3rd Feb 2010 15:57 in reply to "RE[3]: Now that's Sniveling! "
_xmv Member since:
2008-12-09


Yes, they have been around for a while. And yes, they've been a monumental failure because they've been shackled to a decades old interface paradigm that simply doesn't work for a touch based device. The iPad is different because it tosses the old stuff out the window and provides a platform for building software that is designed from the ground up for that form factor and interaction model. The difference is hugely significant.

they're ipod touch with big screens. 3 years old design.


I praise Apple's move with the iPad because it will shatter long held expectations about what computing is and possibly can be-- not for their creation of a closed ecosystem.

but that is the point and the issue. i'm pretty sure everyones happy if apple issues great products (not that i think the ipad is great in itself - but thats a different subject)

apple marketing is very efficient. everyone *knows* that despite the ipad not being exceptionally useful (again, just like other tablet pcs in fact:p ), its going to sell. most don't know why they buy it other than "it looks cool, it sounds cool and you know, must have one"

imagine, if everyone has an ipad, and an iphone, it does not matter, if some open source or just "open" solutions gather up. 99% will be apple, closed, and most people will go that way, and get used to have no such freedom.


Judging from your post, I'm sure you don't have the depth of understanding to make such statements.

what you mean here is "you disagree with me so you canno't be correct"
just try to "think different" as you fav company used to say, without thinking about winning an internet argument. or is it you, who do not have enough depth.. or here, self-confidence to try? sure takes more effort than reading pre-conceived ideas, which most are not willing to make.

and that defines my ironical "sheep" to compare with your own renaming of a section of the population. Maybe you'll get my point, now.

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RE[5]: Now that's Sniveling!
by cb_osn on Wed 3rd Feb 2010 18:32 in reply to "RE[4]: Now that's Sniveling! "
cb_osn Member since:
2006-02-26

Maybe you'll get my point, now.

In fact, I don't.

You are either mistakenly or intentionally attempting to mislabel me as some sort of Apple loyalist in order to better suit your own arguments. I'm nothing of the sort. I have no need for loyalties to any company or organization. I'm simply providing my assessment of the device that they've put forth in comparison to the existing array of devices out there.

I'm open to discussing any of the points I've made, but if you've nothing to add aside from your generic suite of Apple bashing rhetoric, then please direct your attention elsewhere.

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RE[5]: Now that's Sniveling!
by viton on Fri 5th Feb 2010 00:56 in reply to "RE[4]: Now that's Sniveling! "
viton Member since:
2005-08-09

99% will be apple, closed, and most people will go that way, and get used to have no such freedom.

So, what is the problem?
_You_ can be free if you wish ;)

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