Linked by Kroc Camen on Fri 5th Feb 2010 23:28 UTC
Web 2.0 A quick round up of various web-related news items. First up, a new open source product entitled the "Highgate media suite" will bring OGG video decoding to Silverlight. Microsoft have just joined the SVG working group (arguably 10 years late, but it's better than nothing). Adobe promise significant improvements in Flash 10.1, including Core Animation rendering on OS X and lowered CPU usage. Finally, CoperLicht--a WebGL JavaScript 3D engine (Quake in JS will be here one day)
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Moochman
Member since:
2005-07-06

How about the fact that Flash sucks, the developers at Adobe suck, their management are locked in a reality distortion field, and long time Microsoft haters are having greater success with Silverlight than with Adobe's Flash.


The development tools are actually unparalleled. It's only the plugin that has issues.

Sadly, the Java plug-in on Mac OS has equally as many issues. And I don't think Java, JavaFX or Silverlight can match Flash when it comes to ease-of-use for designers creating rich content/apps/animation. Of course, video is something else...

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

Doesn't Apple still provide there own Java version rather than simply using the official Java? Last time osX Java was in the news it was due to being a gross number of versions behind the official release leaving Apple customers vulnerable to things long since patched on the other platforms.

I'd like to see both become less important though. A website shouldn't be unviewable because the browser owner chooses not to install extra content plugins. I've even seen support sites that use Flash for the menu system. A support site for a company providing products across platforms yet locking it's customers out through the requirnment of flash and Adobe's lack (for those many years) of a 64bit Flash player.

Web developers who use closed crap and can't build websites that degrade gracefully need to go back to school. Managers that won't give the developers who are competent time to produce a properly built site also need to give there head a shake or find a new industry to middle-manage in.

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Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

Doesn't Apple still provide there own Java version rather than simply using the official Java? Last time osX Java was in the news it was due to being a gross number of versions behind the official release leaving Apple customers vulnerable to things long since patched on the other platforms.


Yep, that's right. There's a pretty general consensus among Java developers that Apple is doing a crap job of handling Java on their platform (mostly because it's years late), yet strangely enough Macs are still very popular among Java devs. Ultimately everything would be probably be better if Sun/Oracle were to handle the Mac port, but for whatever reason (possibly because of some secret agreement with Apple) they don't. Even if Sun/Oracle were to take over the development, they would need to buy out Apple's proprietary JavaVM code, since at the moment there is nothing comparable in OpenJDK.

Web developers who use closed crap and can't build websites that degrade gracefully need to go back to school. Managers that won't give the developers who are competent time to produce a properly built site also need to give there head a shake or find a new industry to middle-manage in.


Couldn't agree more. Luckily I think the days of Flash-based menus and such are mostly behind us, as there seems to be an growing pool of web developers who actually have an inkling of a clue. Also, the capabilities of HTML/CSS/JavaScript have expanded to cover much of the simple eye candy that Flash used to be used for.

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

The development tools are actually unparalleled. It's only the plugin that has issues.


Agreed - the plugin tool would allow Adobe to allocate more programmers to other projects whilst all the Linux vendors would jump on board to improve it, Apple, and many hand set makers as well. It would definately change my opinion of Flash from being bane of my existence to something I find a joy to use.

Sadly, the Java plug-in on Mac OS has equally as many issues. And I don't think Java, JavaFX or Silverlight can match Flash when it comes to ease-of-use for designers creating rich content/apps/animation. Of course, video is something else...


For me I have never had any problems with the Java plugin on Mac OS X then again the only time I've see/used it recently was using the website called adrive which Java is employed for the uploading process.

As for JavaFX, if it were a choice between Silverlight, Flash or JavaFX (Java itself doesn't compete with Silverlight/Flash, only JavaFX does), I'd sooner see that succeed as long as Oracle are willing to get it to support more CODECs besides just the one it supports today - On2 Video VP6. What they need to also support is h264 and VC1, and possible OGG/Theora if they have time. All of that takes money and I can understand with the limit funds of Sun it wasn't possible but Oracle should see this is great potential technology for the future.

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