Linked by Kroc Camen on Fri 5th Feb 2010 23:28 UTC
Web 2.0 A quick round up of various web-related news items. First up, a new open source product entitled the "Highgate media suite" will bring OGG video decoding to Silverlight. Microsoft have just joined the SVG working group (arguably 10 years late, but it's better than nothing). Adobe promise significant improvements in Flash 10.1, including Core Animation rendering on OS X and lowered CPU usage. Finally, CoperLicht--a WebGL JavaScript 3D engine (Quake in JS will be here one day)
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RE[2]: Video for everybody
by Nelson on Sat 6th Feb 2010 19:34 UTC in reply to "RE: Video for everybody"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

So let's cater to iPhone 2.0, but catering to Windows Mobile and IE is an unforgivable sin?

Silverlight and HTML5 video tags really have nothing to do with each other. One is a RIA framework which happens to play video, and the other is simply a mechanism for playing video.

There are obvious advantages on both sides, but claiming that one is preventing the other, or is in place only to prevent the other, is stupid.

Look at the majority of Silverlight apps, they are usually LOB RIAs and not video streaming solutions. That's just one facet of the platform.

It is counterintuitive to suggest that Microsoft is opposed to HTML5 when it co-chairs the W3C HTML working group.

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RE[3]: Video for everybody
by SReilly on Sat 6th Feb 2010 19:58 in reply to "RE[2]: Video for everybody"
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2006-12-28

It is counterintuitive to suggest that Microsoft is opposed to HTML5 when it co-chairs the W3C HTML working group.

I'm afraid that is just not the case. In fact, MSs past behaviour and their unwillingness so far to implement HTML5 support in IE suggests the it is counter-intuitive to think anything else.

Silverlight shows all the signs of the usual MS behaviour, i.e. their implementation of a partner's technology in a cheap bid to hook more people to their platform. What they are doing with Silverlight is nothing new and has been repeated ad nauseum throughout their history. I just don't understand how people can't see that.

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RE[3]: Video for everybody
by Kroc on Sat 6th Feb 2010 20:32 in reply to "RE[2]: Video for everybody"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

We've heard about Microsoft departments trying to do each other in, and Silverlight / IE is one of those areas of divide when it comes to Microsoft.

I do hope that IE9 is an awesome browser with Canvas, SVG and Video, but Microsoft have committed to nothing other than rounded corners and anti-aliasing; what a joke.

The more IE supports the standards, the more that conflicts with Silverlight which is trying to usurp those standards. This doesn’t sound like a company that understands the web very well.

Instead of making Silverlight at all, they should have first maxed out standards support in IE, then developed professional friendly design tools much like Flash studio that compile into HTML/JS/CSS/SVG and so forth; and anything they wanted to do that couldn’t be met by the standards, implement them in IE only and submit those features to become part of the standards. Both Canvas and Video (and Img by the way) were proprietary first and then accepted by other vendors and turned into standards.

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RE[4]: Video for everybody
by vivainio on Sat 6th Feb 2010 22:05 in reply to "RE[3]: Video for everybody"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

Instead of making Silverlight at all, they should have first maxed out standards support in IE


But what's the business case for improving IE, for Microsoft?

It's not like it's a source of revenue, and they can't really use it to subvert the web anymore. They need Silverlight for that.

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RE[4]: Video for everybody
by nt_jerkface on Sat 6th Feb 2010 22:22 in reply to "RE[3]: Video for everybody"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26


then developed professional friendly design tools much like Flash studio that compile into HTML/JS/CSS/SVG and so forth;


That's a lot easier said then done. With Silverlight they wanted to bring the .net framework to the web and the cleanest way to do that is with a blank slate. With ASP Ajax they ran into problems trying to shoehorn .net into technologies that were really not designed to be pushed to that extent. The other benefit with a plug-in is that you get a consistent user experience. When you start manipulating HTML/JS/CSS in a complex manner you run into browser quirks. With a plug-in you have control over the rendering engine.

I think their main mistake has been not making a commitment to alleviating concerns over lock-in. I'm not just talking about Linux but also mobile platforms. But they have been much better to Linux than Adobe has ever been. If you recall there was a long period where Flash in Linux was a full version behind and Adobe didn't care at all.

It is also a different time than the IE6 days. With OSX having ~12% share in the US they cannot lock Siverlight to IE or Windows. Web developers would use something else if they did. They have to push Silverlight on technical merit.

I suspect one of the main motivations behind Silverlight is to provide an alternative to Flash for security and stability reasons. They probably got sick of looking at IE crash reports that showed Flash as the leading cause.

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