Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 8th Feb 2010 13:23 UTC, submitted by kragil
Graphics, User Interfaces You may remember that back in November last year, I wrote about the lack of a decent Paint.NET-like application for Linux (or, more specifically, for Gtk+ distributions, since Qt has Krita). As it turns out, this compelled Novell employee Jonathan Pobst to code a Paint.NET clone in Gtk+ using Cairo. Version 0.1 is here, and it's remarkably advanced for something so young.
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RE: Linux
by segedunum on Mon 8th Feb 2010 14:09 UTC in reply to "Linux"
segedunum
Member since:
2005-07-06

I see that GNU/Linux guys are at it again, copying and cloning.

I've actually modded you back up, because while it might hurt it's the truth. It's not that we don't have alternatives in the Linux world, but for some reason if you say you're going to clone something from the Windows world it get headlines. Go figure.

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RE[2]: Linux
by Laurence on Mon 8th Feb 2010 14:51 in reply to "RE: Linux"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

I've actually modded you back up, because while it might hurt it's the truth. It's not that we don't have alternatives in the Linux world, but for some reason if you say you're going to clone something from the Windows world it get headlines. Go figure.


Aside OOo, none of the Linux software I use regularly / every day is a Windows clone:
* Dolphin looks and behaves nothing like Windows Explorer
* k3b only look vaguely like Nero in the sense that nearly every other CD burning package also looks just like that.
* Firefox and Opera are cross platform anyway
* Kmail feels nothing like Outlook aside having the generic e-mail layout underpin.
* Eclipse (aside being cross platform) feels nothing like Visual Studio
* Kopete feels very different to MSN aside some very basic generic layouts
....etc

People keep harping on about how GNU/Linux copies from Windows / OS X, but in truth there is usually just one or two logical layouts for an application of a specific function and you'll often find that numerous applications of that genre will all mostly follow the same layout regardless of platform (eg every instant messenger has the same 'contact list' and 'chat window' set up. every e-mail client - inc. cloud mail - will have a 'folder list' (inbox et al), 'folder contents' (e-mails) and the 'item preview pane')

And you can hardly complain about "copying" when a gap in a market is filled on one platform because they see a product neatly fill a gap in the market on an opposing platform (which is essentially what's happened here - albeit with a little push from OS News).

If you didn't allow for products to "copy" in that sense, then quite frankly we'd either only end up with one product per genre. eg:
* 1 type of TV set,
* 1 type of MP3 player, etc
or we'd end up with lot's of competing products that are massively incompatible. (eg
* several TV sets that all receive different radio transmission standards,
* different portable music players that have their own patented media that no-other media player can play.


This is why I think the problem mainly arises when details are cloned, like how Microsoft's ribbon bar is considered for OOo. This is because it's the details that sets one product apart from another - the rest is just common sense and usability. eg it makes sense for all TVs to decode the same RF signals and for all portable digital music players to support MP3 (or at least come with software to convert MP3 to a natively supported file format) and it makes usability sense for all instant messengers to have a 'contacts list' and a 'chat' window.

Sorry for the lengthy post by the way.

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RE[3]: Linux
by Kroc on Mon 8th Feb 2010 16:56 in reply to "RE[2]: Linux"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

All I saw was this:

* File manager
* CD burner
* Web browser
* E-mail client
* IDE
* IM client

Different names and functions, but it’s all the same stuff. Where’s the real innovation? Where’s the stuff that Windows and Windows software cannot do? Where’s the paradigm shift?

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