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Xorg development
by manjabes on Tue 9th Feb 2010 17:18 UTC
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However, with the pace of Xorg and Linux development, the situation could already be different today.

No, it is not. Be honest. Xorg is still struggling with multidisplay support. Heck, it STILL after 20+ years of development struggles with a single goddamn display. The two last times (~1 yr each) I tried using a Linux-based system full-time, the plenty-a-day xorg crashes reconviced me that my time was worth too much to spend it tinkering with the steaming pile that is Xorg. Still the same, every time I try. And that's on a system that's supposed to work well with Linux. But not even the mighty open-source ecosystem has managed to fix this. Time is only spent on crying how hw manufacturers create shitty (AND/OR closed-source) drivers.

Linux, yes, is developing at a fast pace. But not Xorg.

Edited 2010-02-09 17:20 UTC

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RE: Xorg development
by CoolGoose on Tue 9th Feb 2010 18:10 in reply to "Xorg development"
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I'm really trying to figure out how the heck do you have problems with xorg on a single monitor display, heck even on two (if you consider proprietary drivers)

Any kind of a "special" hardware ?

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RE[2]: Xorg development
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 9th Feb 2010 18:45 in reply to "RE: Xorg development"
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Yeah, I haven't had X crash on me since 97. Is it because I'm lucky or that I only use open source drivers?

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RE[2]: Xorg development
by manjabes on Wed 10th Feb 2010 14:12 in reply to "RE: Xorg development"
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Any kind of a "special" hardware ?

I wouldn't consider an Intel integrated graphics chip that special.
It is also rather ironic that I specifically bought a new computer with an Intel graphics chip rather than a nVidia discrete one, just so that it would work great with Linux. I even suppressed my inner urge to play games with my computer, just for that. And turns out, now I'm on windows with a sub-par graphics chip all along.

Kinda explains my poisonous attitude though...

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RE: Xorg development
by Tuxie on Tue 9th Feb 2010 18:11 in reply to "Xorg development"
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"Time is only spent on crying how hw manufacturers create shitty (AND/OR closed-source) drivers."

Guess why?

Xorg could create a thousand killer features and write millions of lines of perfectly bug free code that does everything anyone could ever dream of, but it still wouldn't mean shit to most end users as long as they rely on shitty, closed source drivers who want to do things their own way and don't keep up with the development pace.

Yet you put all the blame on Xorg...

Are you really that surprised that people are frustrated?

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RE[2]: Xorg development
by google_ninja on Thu 11th Feb 2010 20:07 in reply to "RE: Xorg development"
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He has an intel card, so it is shitty, opensource drivers for shitty, open hardware

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RE: Xorg development
by cerbie on Wed 10th Feb 2010 06:59 in reply to "Xorg development"
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Don't forget the crappy open source drivers, and driver-level features that should be core X features.

X is a minefield of crappy politics, even without closed source drivers, which would be very easy to deal with (stop supporting old crap, and let nVidia and everyone else catch up, if they want).

Also, isn't it funny how a Windows+nVidia news item becomes about X and FOSS?

Edited 2010-02-10 07:00 UTC

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RE: Xorg development
by jabjoe on Wed 10th Feb 2010 11:28 in reply to "Xorg development"
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Urg, please people read up on XOrg and what is happening.
There is a lot happening. There is crying about closed source slowing things, but there is still lots of action. Biggest of which is drivers being moved out of X into the kernel. That's what the big fuss with KMS,DRM and Gallium3D is. NVidia aren't joining in because it doesn't fit with there cross platform driver development, as it would make the Linux driver completely different than the other platforms. But this matters less and less, because Nouveau is really picking up speed now, and is increasingly becoming a viable alternative. The Nouveau drivers are keeping up with XOrg development. Once the drivers are out of X, the code base shrinks massively and it won't neeed to run as root anymore. This all means it makes easier to write X reimplimentations or alternatives, like Wayland.

Xorg is not lacking multidisplay support. I've been using it at home for years. Normally now it's all done with Xrandr bar the NVidia closed drivers, and as I said, that won't matter soon enough as they won't be needed.

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