Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 9th Feb 2010 19:06 UTC, submitted by diegocg
KDE And there we are, the KDE team has released KDE Software Compilation 4.4, formerly known as, well, KDE. Major new features include social networking and online collaboration integration, the new netbook interface, the KAuth authentication framework, and a lot more.
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kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

Most of the real problems these days are being worked on in the DRM/Gallium3D repositories.


Unfortunately such things have been sitting in repositories for ages and never seeing the light of day. The open source world is great when it comes to ideas and starting up new projects but when it comes to following it through to the logical conclusion its an entirely different matter. Xorg unfortunately is what holds Linux (or in fact any *NIX for that matter) from mainstream adoption. Distributions talk and talk about 'improvements' but most of it is tweaking around the edges rather than addressing the fundamental flaws in Xorg. It will require some heavy lifting but so far the parties that yield the most benefit from Xorg seem to give back the least amount.

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diegocg Member since:
2005-07-08

Unfortunately such things have been sitting in repositories for ages and never seeing the light of day.

All the work based in GEM/KMS has been merged. Check the kernel changelogs. Gallium3D entered in Stable mesa in version 7.5.

rather than addressing the fundamental flaws in Xorg.

What "fundamental flaws"? Let me guess - the "networking oriented protocol"?

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boldingd Member since:
2009-02-19

Indeed. X development... OK, it's maybe not as rapid as it could be, the xorg folks aren't great with deadlines, but it is definitely moving! The improvements in X over the last several years have been visible, and are still on-going.

"X is bad!" has become a talking-point for the local Linux Hater's Club. It's not a substantive claim. X has gotten O.K., and it's still improving. Soon, it will be good; eventually, it will be freaking awesome. It's certainly not Desktop Linux's constraining factor.

The biggest thing holding Linux back from the desktop, I suspect, is just that there's no need for it. Most people already have Windows, and it works well enough that they have no need to switch. (Which is not to say anything negative about Linux - or anything about its comparative quality at all, really.) That, and they have Windows software.

Edited 2010-02-09 23:26 UTC

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

All the work based in GEM/KMS has been merged. Check the kernel changelogs. Gallium3D entered in Stable mesa in version 7.5.


But the drivers have to be ported over to the new model - which is still an on going issue; that doesn't then include the power management, or there lack of, when it comes to the GPU itself.

What "fundamental flaws"? Let me guess - the "networking oriented protocol"?


Actually no, there is nothing wrong with the protocol; XCB addresses many of the issues relating to libX11 but how many tool kits have wholesale moved over to XCB from LibX11?

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KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

Unfortunately such things have been sitting in repositories for ages and never seeing the light of day.

You should read Phoronix news. Phoronix has a weird obsession with benchmarks, but covers X.org and Mesa news very well (that includes Gallium).

The open source world is great when it comes to ideas and starting up new projects but when it comes to following it through to the logical conclusion its an entirely different matter.

Stop trolling.

Xorg unfortunately is what holds Linux (or in fact any *NIX for that matter) from mainstream adoption.

No. That would be laziness to try something else than Windows. Win9x was horrible on every single technical aspect and was still used widely.

Distributions talk and talk about 'improvements' but most of it is tweaking around the edges rather than addressing the fundamental flaws in Xorg.

You have no idea. Not every distributor is a lame freeloader like Canonical. Red Had and Novell actually work on Xorg.

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

You should read Phoronix news. Phoronix has a weird obsession with benchmarks, but covers X.org and Mesa news very well (that includes Gallium).


Throughput doesn't equal responsiveness; Xorg/XFree86 has always been able to great throughput - heck, I remember back in my COLA (Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy) days where there would be numerous posts by me and others boasting about how much throughput could be achieved and that the 'X is slow' argument doesn't hold water.

Throughput doesn't equal responsiveness.

Stop trolling.


So when you meet someone you disagree with you abuse them - interesting.

No. That would be laziness to try something else than Windows. Win9x was horrible on every single technical aspect and was still used widely.


I have used 'something other than Windows' - I'm a f--king Mac user for Christsake and used FreeBSD full time from 1996 till 2002 - so please, shove what ever 'valuable' advice you have up your ass.

You have no idea. Not every distributor is a lame freeloader like Canonical. Red Had and Novell actually work on Xorg.


How about this idea; the ability for my Inspiron to wake up from being put to sleep and the GUI actually coming back to life instead of being greeted with a blank screen - yes, I am using the Neavou drivers that came with Fedora. How about addressing why alt-clt-backspace has been disable on almost every distribution which leaves me screwed when Xorg has frozen. How about addressing the lack of quality drivers instead of sending off abusive posts on this forum because your cohorts can't get their act together.

Edited 2010-02-10 03:20 UTC

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