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Microsoft Sometimes, the sheer size of a company like Microsoft can make it quite hard to see and realise just how large and profitable such a company can really be. In these kinds of situations, there's nothing like a clear graph to make all those pretty numbers tangible. Up to a point.
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RE: Apple is like, psychedelic, man.
by Kroc on Sat 13th Feb 2010 13:49 UTC in reply to "Apple is like, psychedelic, man."
Kroc
Member since:
2005-11-10

Bill co-wrote Microsoft Basic (v2.0 appearing on the Commodore 64). Everything from then on he bought and sold on (DOS included).

I would hardly call Microsoft Basic worthy of 'coding cred'. If you want cred, look at Woz's insane code in the Apple II, the guy was a programming wizard.

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Heey.. don´t forget the first version of gorilla.bas :p

EDIT: Added "first" ... damn brain, thinking faster than I can type...

Edited 2010-02-13 20:28 UTC

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tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

Bill co-wrote Microsoft Basic (v2.0 appearing on the Commodore 64). Everything from then on he bought and sold on (DOS included).


So, what's your point? That technology companies -- Microsoft, Apple, Google, etc -- acquire other companies and leverage their investments? That acquisition doesn't yield innovative products? You've got a tough sell there. Many, if not most, of the most widely used software products originated in acquisition targets. Quite frankly, I applaud any company that sees a shortcut to the future, and takes it, in the interest of getting an innovative product to market faster -- and leveraging the strength that comes from scale.

I would hardly call Microsoft Basic worthy of 'coding cred'. If you want cred, look at Woz's insane code in the Apple II, the guy was a programming wizard.


I don't think you fully understand the constraints that both Gates and Wozniak were operating under -- and it's the constraints that set them apart from today's innovation. Gates and Allen squeezed a full-featured BASIC interpreter + data into only 4K of memory. They did this with a variety of innovative tricks -- opcode alignment and jumps, self-modifying code, etc -- using 8080 assembly language. You may like to think that this doesn't give them "street cred" but, frankly, you're full of crap. Most devs today couldn't accomplish the same thing; especially, if they had to use the crude tools that Gates and Allen used at the time. It's a lesson in economy that modern devs would be well-advised to absorb. I'm not trying to minimize Woz, either. He was and remains a brilliant guy, and Apple wouldn't be where it is today without his contributions. Steve Jobs never had the "street cred" to create what either Gates or Woz created.

Edited 2010-02-13 21:50 UTC

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rockwell Member since:
2005-09-13

tomcat, please. Don't you realize that some freetard's opinion on some random comment section trumps anything Gates did 30 years ago? After all, the commenter was there, wasn't he?

http://tmrepository.com/trademarks/ihatebillgates/

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Writing an interpreter is hard enough but even harder when you don't have access to the hardware. Bill Gates wrote most of BASIC for the Altair on paper and then tested it in an emulator that Allen created. It took a lot of work and was a huge gamble. Sure it wasn't like the Woz who put together a computer in his garage but it was impressive for the time.

Edited 2010-02-14 00:32 UTC

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tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

Writing an interpreter is hard enough but even harder when you don't have access to the hardware. Bill Gates wrote most of BASIC for the Altair on paper and then tested it in an emulator that Allen created. It took a lot of work and was a huge gamble. Sure it wasn't like the Woz who put together a computer in his garage but it was impressive for the time.


You're right, but none of these people will ever acknowledge that anything Gates did was innovative, because they simply hate him to the core. They hate that he outmaneuvered them. They hate that Windows is the dominant desktop operating system. They hate that they can't give away Linux for free, and take market share. They hate that people charge money for software.

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Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

When I was 12 I was writing assembly on paper and bitmaps on graph paper (calculating the bytes manually). This was common with the Commodore 64 and earlier computers. What Bill did was good, but he had an education and a lot of years on me, but I could have done the same in the same situation. Tron was animated on graph paper, this sort of thing is familiar to me—it really was manual before the first IDEs came into being.

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