Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 11th Feb 2010 18:29 UTC
Opera Software Everybody's favourite Norwegian browser maker has released the beta version of Opera 10.50, the next iteration of the featureful web browser. As Kroc already touched upon late last year, Opera 10.50 comes packed with a lot of improvements across the board, from a new JavaScript engine to an improved address field.
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PresentIt
Member since:
2010-02-10

The idea that MDI window management had to be completely re-implemented, rather than using standard Windows MDI, contradicts recent statements from Opera staff. They've talked about Opera 10.10 tabs being true MDI child windows, with 10.5 the first time in Opera history that this isn't the case.

No, what he's referring to is simply that the way Opera handles windows has changed.

Whatever. I'd consider Dragonfly a separate utility and not part of the actual browser.

It's part of the browser. It was added with UI and all, after a beta.

All new features that were added via point releases, after the .0 final, not after a beta.

Again, wrong. They were added right into the final version, after beta.

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Dave_K Member since:
2005-11-16

No, what he's referring to is simply that the way Opera handles windows has changed.


No he isn't. Please work on your reading comprehension then take another look.

It's completely clear that Opera was an MDI app, with tabs generated as standard MDI child windows. This has only changed with vega in 10.5, not with the UI toolkit in Opera 7.

Bear in mind that versions of Opera for different operating systems have different UI features due to the platform they're running on. For example, while it uses Opera's Quick toolkit, the Linux version draws using Qt, and has a number of UI differences from the Windows version.

It's possible for an application to use a cross-platform UI toolkit, and still use UI features that are native to an OS, like Windows MDI.

It's part of the browser. It was added with UI and all, after a beta.


And that doesn't change the fact that it's still an alpha test of an optional utility for developers, not a core browser feature.

But we've already gone over this - even if you're right, it's still one of a tiny number of features added to Opera between the beta and final.

It doesn't contradict my point (in fact its uniqueness supports it) that most previous betas were feature complete, with just bug fixes and tweaks before the .0 release.

Just saying "wrong" or "LOL" or "fail" isn't an adult response, it certainly doesn't prove me wrong about this.

Again, wrong. They were added right into the final version, after beta.


I've just posted absolutely clear proof, from Opera's own history page, that you are completely and unambiguously wrong about this.

7.1 is an update to 7.0, 9.1 is an update to 9.0, and neither .1 update had its own beta test. A feature added in 7.1 or 9.1 isn't something that was added between the beta and the final - it's clearly an update to the browser after the .0 final was released.

Those final releases, 7.0 and 9.0, didn't add extra features that weren't in their betas - in other words, the betas were feature complete.

I don't know how I can restate this point any more simply. If you're still unable to understand then I'm afraid there's nothing else I can do to enlighten you.

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Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

I vote for Dave_K in this debate. I think his use of language and willingness to expound on his points indicates his superior grasp of linguistic flourish and reason.

I have no idea who is actually correct. But PresentIt, your style is just.... Wrong.

(LOL)

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PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

No he isn't. Please work on your reading comprehension then take another look.

Yes he is. They were using Quick, not Win32.

It's completely clear that Opera was an MDI app, with tabs generated as standard MDI child windows.

No, if you look at Opera's history they had to reimplement it in Opera 7.

And that doesn't change the fact that it's still an alpha test of an optional utility for developers, not a core browser feature.

Again, wrong. It's part of Opera. It's a feature. It was added after beta.

it's still one of a tiny number of features added to Opera between the beta and final

Again, you are wrong.

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