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Microsoft Sometimes, the sheer size of a company like Microsoft can make it quite hard to see and realise just how large and profitable such a company can really be. In these kinds of situations, there's nothing like a clear graph to make all those pretty numbers tangible. Up to a point.
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... and their online division
by deathshadow on Sun 14th Feb 2010 08:52 UTC
deathshadow
Member since:
2005-07-12

Probably wouldn't be a money pit if they had anyone over there who understood HTML/CSS, and didn't require more hosting than god herself to handle the complete bull of poorly written code using hundreds of K of HTML, CSS and javascript to deliver single digit K of content. Javascript inlined in the markup, CSS inlined in the markup, presentational markup AND div's thrown at code willy-nilly...

Hell, just look at a search result page from BING - 50k of HTML just to deliver ~3k of CDATA... or Hotmail using 122k of 'documents', and lord knows how much javascript (since they load it in such a convoluted manner the web dev toolbar can't even figure it out) just to show 3.4k of CDATA that makes up the average inbox page.

They can just barely make a browser, for a web presence? They just don't get it and the people they have working on it are OBVIOUSLY not qualified to hold their jobs...

as evidenced by such wonderful gems as:
<script>Browser={isFF:true,isFF2:true,isFF3:false};</script&g t;
<script src="http://gfx6.hotmail.com/mail/15.1.3028.1103/cmpt0.js"></scri...

or

<div id="c_header" class="c_hb" style="min-width:987px;"><div class="c_hta"><div class="c_hg" style="background-image:url(http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/uxp/w4/m1/pr06/h/g.png);padding-bottom:7px;"><div class="c_h" style=""><div class="c_hl" style="top:12px;">http://shared.live.com/"" <span class="c_is" style="padding-left:18px;font-size:17px;line-height:17px;vertical-ali gn:middle;margin-right:3px;"><span style="clip: rect(0px 18px 17px 0px);left:0px;top:0px;"><img src="http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/uxp/w4/m1/pr06/h/s3.png" alt="Windows Live" /></span></span><span class='c_hbrnd'>Windows Live<span class="c_tm">™</span></span></div><div class="c_hc"><div class="inCenter" style="margin-right:4.5em;;"><ul class="c_ht"><li>http://shared.live.com/Live.Mail"" Home</li>

Ineptitude, they name is Microsoft web developers.

As I said on a blog entry about a year ago:
http://my.opera.com/deathshadow/blog/2008/11/05/rubbish-code-from-a...

What they did to hotmail with the new version they shoved down everyone's throat should have resulted in people getting FIRED.

AJAX for nothing and your scripts for free - huh, that ain't working...

Edited 2010-02-14 08:59 UTC

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deathshadow Member since:
2005-07-12

Addendum - was just taking a closer peek, get a load of this ****.

<tr id="85f268c8-1465-11df-9a01-002264c15ace" msg="msg" mad="44|0|8CC76896CAB7390||" ><td class="Chk" name="msgChkCell" unselectable="on"><input type="checkbox" name="msgChk" title="Select message"/></td>

What's wrong with that? ID's cannot start with numbers, the following attributes - msg, mad, unselectable - do NOT EVEN EXIST in HTML, those a pure made up gibberish. They have NOTHING on th eID to make it part of a set or to identify itself as unique meaning they are likely pulling the unique information from one of it's parent elements making the javascript ten times more complex than need be... there is NO reason to ever put NAME on a TD since that's NOT even a valid property of TD, shall I go on?

They don't even know enough HTML to be MAKING websites in the first damned place! How the **** do these people get and keep their jobs, are the suits really THAT ignorant, or do the people writing this crap just have their noses so far into the brown they can see teeth and are deep-throating Ballmer's tonsils?

Edited 2010-02-14 10:03 UTC

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Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Microsoft’s ineptitude with HTML is legendary. That’s why I hold out zero hope for Office:Web and expect it to be nothing but a trojan horse for Silverlight.

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