Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 14th Feb 2010 22:17 UTC
Internet & Networking There's a bit of ruckus going on at the moment in the world of HTML5. A number of people are claiming that Adobe has blocked the latest publication of the HTML5 standard. However, after diving into the actual mailing list threads, it becomes obvious quite quickly that it's nothing but a misunderstanding. Update: Masinter replies: "No part of HTML5 is, or was ever, 'blocked' in the W3C HTML Working Group - not HTML5, not Canvas 2D Graphics, not Microdata, not Video - not by me, not by Adobe."
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RE: Comment by mtzmtulivu
by kaiwai on Mon 15th Feb 2010 05:33 UTC in reply to "Comment by mtzmtulivu"
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

everybody likes to hate on flash these days and most of the hate seem to come from apple fanboys to justify apple not allowing it on their devices.

Flash is a scriptable runtime environment that also play audio and video streams. Apple did not prevent flash because of its appetite on resources, they prevented it because of its scriptable nature and apple's inability to control what code can run on flash if they allowed it. Apple's obsession with control is what is keeping flash off of its devices.

i am a linux user and i do not like flash very much and apple's interest in pushing the web off of flash is in agreement with mine and i should be thankful but i do not approve of their lying about their reasons and i think we should all call them out on it instead of repeating it simply because we agree with their end result


How about the fact that Flash sucks, the developers at Adobe suck, their management are locked in a reality distortion field, and long time Microsoft haters are having greater success with Silverlight than with Adobe's Flash. I truly am sick and tired of hearing the sycophants from forums and the crap employee's of Adobe bending over backwards apologising for the abortion of a technology that is Flash.

Oh, and to claim that some how because it is installed by many people it equates to a product 'not as bad as people make it out to be" - who the f--k chooses to use the technology in the first place! I've never ever seen a end user install a plugin for something unless the developer of the website itself pushed for its use! so please, to some how equate quality to distribution to people actively choosing to install Flash is a pathetic and fictitious argument to make.

We all know what the solution is - open source the damn plugin; there is no value derived from the plugin - you make the dollars off the development tools. Open source the plugin under a liberal licence and allow vendors to contribute and fix up the problems because so far Adobe has demonstrated gross incompetence when it comes to delivering a stable product. Oh, as for 'forked versions' as the Flash apologists in the past here have claimed - institute the same requirements that Java has, "you can't call it Java unless it has passed the conformity tests".

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RE[2]: Comment by mtzmtulivu
by mtzmtulivu on Mon 15th Feb 2010 05:48 in reply to "RE: Comment by mtzmtulivu"
mtzmtulivu Member since:
2006-11-14


We all know what the solution is - open source the damn plugin; there is no value derived from the plugin - you make the dollars off the development tools. Open source the plugin under a liberal licence and allow vendors to contribute and fix up the problems because so far Adobe has demonstrated gross incompetence when it comes to delivering a stable product.


people give this argument also give another one saying that it is only a matter of time before hulu ditch flash and use html5/video. Hulu will never do this because they want people to always stream their contents and will never go with a "naked" streaming solution that will allow people to record their streams. For this reason, adobe will most likely never open source their player because they want to keep all content providers who want to keep their contents locked up. Flash going open source today and hulu will go silverlight a few seconds later.

as long as content providers want their stuff locked up, there will always be proprietary technologies that will allow them to do that ..why not be happy with the devil u know than the devil you dont? moonlight has so far show no interest in implementing proprietary technologies netflix uses in streaming their contents in silverlight and to expect microsoft to support anything other than windows is expecting too much from them and that will surely lead to disappointments

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RE[2]: Comment by mtzmtulivu
by Kyuubu on Mon 15th Feb 2010 09:39 in reply to "RE: Comment by mtzmtulivu"
Kyuubu Member since:
2007-09-07

http://www.osnews.com/permalink?408059

I knew this sounded too much familiar... Come on, this is not even on-topic.

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RE[3]: Comment by mtzmtulivu
by kaiwai on Mon 15th Feb 2010 10:31 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by mtzmtulivu"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

http://www.osnews.com/permalink?408059

I knew this sounded too much familiar... Come on, this is not even on-topic.


It is on topic given that the person I was responding to was an unapologetic apologist for Adobe, Flash and all that is unholy with proprietary technologies. Why write a whole new post when I've already beaten my chest so many times on the matter?

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