Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 15th Feb 2010 15:47 UTC
Windows So, after much, much speculation and many, many rumours, Microsoft finally took the wraps off Windows Phone 7 Series, its newest mobile operating system. Hold on to your hats, because uncharacteristically for the Redmond giant, they've rebuilt everything from the ground up - this system has little to no connection to the Windows Mobile of yore. I don't say this lightly - but dear lord, Windows Phone 7 Series is full of win. Update: Hands-on video from Engadget inside. Update II: There is no sync application. It's all done over-the-air, to the internet. Only videos and music are synced via the Zune software. Update III: Since I didn't mention it clearly, here it goes: Windows Phone 7 Series is a clean break. There is no backwards compatibility at all. Update IV: Channel9 has a 22-minute in-depth demonstration of Windows Phone 7 Series.
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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Mon 15th Feb 2010 16:28 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
Kroc
Member since:
2005-11-10

My first respons, who the f--k cares you are talking 5% of users.


Actually, we’re talking about _millions_ of people. And millions more per quarter.

Looking at the Mac userbase as a percentage is monumentally narrowminded. It’s a huge group of affluent people, Microsoft would be making a mistake if they don’t at least _eventually_ support Mac, even if it’s just an iSync plugin.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 15th Feb 2010 16:31 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Looking at the Mac userbase as a percentage is monumentally narrowminded. It’s a huge group of affluent people, Microsoft would be making a mistake if they don’t at least _eventually_ support Mac, even if it’s just an iSync plugin.


It's still only five percent of computer users worldwide. We reside on the web too much, so we get the idea the Mac is everywhere. Truth of the matter is, however, that out in the real world, Macs are rare, and while I would certainly like to see Mac support, I find it totally understandable if Microsoft won't bother spending money on only five percent of computer users.

It simply makes no sense.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by Adam S on Mon 15th Feb 2010 16:40 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

No Thom, Kroc is right. Of the 95% who don't use Mac, some of them use Linux, and MOST of them use flip phones. Of those who don't, many of them use iPhones and many of them have no interest in a smart phone. Then another percentage can't afford a phone like this.

Because these people have money, like gadgets, are comfortable switching technologies and UI paradigms, and are probably the best example, on the whole, of people who would want a tiled, customizable, social-network-infused phone. So it's not 5% of the the market, I'd bet it's probably more like 15-20% of the *target* market.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by memson on Mon 15th Feb 2010 16:55 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
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2006-01-01

Truth of the matter is, however, that out in the real world, Macs are rare..


Are they? I commute in to London every day by train (~1 hour) and see loads of Thinkpads (work issued), a lot of Sony, loads of Netbooks (usually being used to watch movies), and at least 3 or 4 Mac's a week. Not the same people either. Some are as old at Ti/Alu Powerbooks, some are Macbook Pro's, but a lot are white plastic Macbooks. I would say, ~60% of the machines I see are Windows fullsized laptops, ~30% are small laptops or netbooks, the of the rest, at least ~10% are Apple and the odd Linux (pretty rare.)

Compare this with 2 years ago when I started commuting... there were no Macs what so ever.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by siimo on Mon 15th Feb 2010 20:39 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
siimo Member since:
2006-06-22

I will probably be modded down for this, but a lot of the Mac users are die hard Apple fans that would never buy a phone made by Microsoft. Yes not everyone is like that but many of the Mac users I have spoken to get their kicks from mocking everything Microsoft. I don't think they will be purchasing a Windows phone even if it turns out to be better than iPhone.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by NeoX on Tue 16th Feb 2010 04:06 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
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2006-02-19


It's still only five percent of computer users worldwide. We reside on the web too much, so we get the idea the Mac is everywhere. Truth of the matter is, however, that out in the real world, Macs are rare, and while I would certainly like to see Mac support, I find it totally understandable if Microsoft won't bother spending money on only five percent of computer users.

It simply makes no sense.


Macs may be rare where you are but they are certainly everywhere that I am. I see people with them every single day. I don't have to look they are in the coffee shops, they are in the hotels I go to, they are in many of the homes I have to visit. So while it may be 5%, as was stated that is millions of macs and more every day. I agree it would be stupid if MS deliberately did not support macs. After all they do make office for Mac and that really has to be a fraction of the windows version.

I am also seeing small businesses in my area replacing there PC's with Macs. I see it all the time in my field of work. I rarely if ever see them go from Windows/Mac to Linux, it just does not happen here.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by stone on Mon 15th Feb 2010 18:41 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
stone Member since:
2005-07-06

its ironic though, that year on year the mac marked share is actually down compared to the growth of the pc marked.

not shrinking, obviously, just not growing as fast.

/stone

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by nt_jerkface on Mon 15th Feb 2010 23:03 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Looking at the Mac userbase as a percentage is monumentally narrowminded.


I wouldn't go that far. I would just say that it is the percentage of potential customers that matter, not the world.

A million Chinese that don't buy software aren't worth more than a single Mac user.

Mac users are ~12% of the largest software market which is nothing to scoff at.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by stabbyjones on Mon 15th Feb 2010 23:58 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
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2008-04-15

it's still a group of people microsoft doesn't have to care about. they use ms office and heaps are running windows on their macs anyway so why should they bother?

mac users are on par with linux users as far as win mobible 7 so don't flatter yourselves.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by graigsmith on Tue 16th Feb 2010 04:27 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
graigsmith Member since:
2006-04-05

Actually, we’re talking about _millions_ of people. And millions more per quarter.

Looking at the Mac userbase as a percentage is monumentally narrowminded. It’s a huge group of affluent people, Microsoft would be making a mistake if they don’t at least _eventually_ support Mac, even if it’s just an iSync plugin.


millions of people who are probably going to buy the iphone anyways.

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