Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 15th Feb 2010 15:47 UTC
Windows So, after much, much speculation and many, many rumours, Microsoft finally took the wraps off Windows Phone 7 Series, its newest mobile operating system. Hold on to your hats, because uncharacteristically for the Redmond giant, they've rebuilt everything from the ground up - this system has little to no connection to the Windows Mobile of yore. I don't say this lightly - but dear lord, Windows Phone 7 Series is full of win. Update: Hands-on video from Engadget inside. Update II: There is no sync application. It's all done over-the-air, to the internet. Only videos and music are synced via the Zune software. Update III: Since I didn't mention it clearly, here it goes: Windows Phone 7 Series is a clean break. There is no backwards compatibility at all. Update IV: Channel9 has a 22-minute in-depth demonstration of Windows Phone 7 Series.
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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 15th Feb 2010 16:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
Thom_Holwerda
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Looking at the Mac userbase as a percentage is monumentally narrowminded. It’s a huge group of affluent people, Microsoft would be making a mistake if they don’t at least _eventually_ support Mac, even if it’s just an iSync plugin.


It's still only five percent of computer users worldwide. We reside on the web too much, so we get the idea the Mac is everywhere. Truth of the matter is, however, that out in the real world, Macs are rare, and while I would certainly like to see Mac support, I find it totally understandable if Microsoft won't bother spending money on only five percent of computer users.

It simply makes no sense.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by Adam S on Mon 15th Feb 2010 16:40 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
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2005-04-01

No Thom, Kroc is right. Of the 95% who don't use Mac, some of them use Linux, and MOST of them use flip phones. Of those who don't, many of them use iPhones and many of them have no interest in a smart phone. Then another percentage can't afford a phone like this.

Because these people have money, like gadgets, are comfortable switching technologies and UI paradigms, and are probably the best example, on the whole, of people who would want a tiled, customizable, social-network-infused phone. So it's not 5% of the the market, I'd bet it's probably more like 15-20% of the *target* market.

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 15th Feb 2010 16:42 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
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2005-06-29

So it's not 5% of the the market, I'd bet it's probably more like 15-20% of the *target* market.


That's actually a really good point. Don't know if we can prove any of it, but it makes sense. Hadn't thought of that.

So it might be worth their while after all. I'm sure they're doing their homework on that one.

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by arpan on Mon 15th Feb 2010 17:49 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
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2006-07-30

Makes perfect sense. A person who uses a $300 computer, isn't going to spend $500 on a phone.

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by kragil on Tue 16th Feb 2010 01:33 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
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2006-01-04

No OSX User will buy a device that has to work with their Macs and is made by MS. They might buy a Xbox, but on the Mac they are conditioned to avoid MS whereever they can (ActiveX, Zune, WinMo the list goes on and on)

I know no OSX user who would buy a Windows phone, no matter how advanced the UI might be.

But then again I know no OSX users that owns a Xbox, those might.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by memson on Mon 15th Feb 2010 16:55 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
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2006-01-01

Truth of the matter is, however, that out in the real world, Macs are rare..


Are they? I commute in to London every day by train (~1 hour) and see loads of Thinkpads (work issued), a lot of Sony, loads of Netbooks (usually being used to watch movies), and at least 3 or 4 Mac's a week. Not the same people either. Some are as old at Ti/Alu Powerbooks, some are Macbook Pro's, but a lot are white plastic Macbooks. I would say, ~60% of the machines I see are Windows fullsized laptops, ~30% are small laptops or netbooks, the of the rest, at least ~10% are Apple and the odd Linux (pretty rare.)

Compare this with 2 years ago when I started commuting... there were no Macs what so ever.

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 15th Feb 2010 17:02 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Keyword: London.

It's like saying "Tigers are the most common mammals of the planet" while standing in the tiger cage at the zoo.

Worldwide, Mac share is round and about 5%. That's peanuts, unit-wise (but not peanuts profit-wise, as Adam pointed out).

Edited 2010-02-15 17:03 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by siimo on Mon 15th Feb 2010 20:39 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
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2006-06-22

I will probably be modded down for this, but a lot of the Mac users are die hard Apple fans that would never buy a phone made by Microsoft. Yes not everyone is like that but many of the Mac users I have spoken to get their kicks from mocking everything Microsoft. I don't think they will be purchasing a Windows phone even if it turns out to be better than iPhone.

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by HappyGod on Tue 16th Feb 2010 00:09 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
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2005-10-19

I will probably be modded down for this, but a lot of the Mac users are die hard Apple fans that would never buy a phone made by Microsoft. Yes not everyone is like that but many of the Mac users I have spoken to get their kicks from mocking everything Microsoft. I don't think they will be purchasing a Windows phone even if it turns out to be better than iPhone.


Was waiting for someone to point that out. A Mac user with a Windows phone is kind of like a Buddhist carrying rosary beads!

Also, I'm not too sure about the target market argument when it comes to Mac users. I mean he's right when he says that Mac users are prime examples of the target market in respect to age, wealth, inclination etc., but the Web2 teenies out there will eat this up, and they're spending Mum's cash, not theirs.

Oh, and I'll probably buy one as well ;-)

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by Tuishimi on Tue 16th Feb 2010 16:05 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
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2005-07-06

That is possible. My wife has a macbook and her iPhone... but they do sync up nicely and play nicely together. That is one reason to own all Apple products; they recognize each other.

I have friends who have all Apple products. We have a mix because I appreciate a variety of hardware and software (Operating Systems), but then again we have also ALWAYS had at least one or two Macs lying around the house. But please don't make owner loyalty a crime.

This looks like a pretty cool phone. It will be interesting to see more video, some more of its capabilities as time progresses.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by NeoX on Tue 16th Feb 2010 04:06 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
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2006-02-19


It's still only five percent of computer users worldwide. We reside on the web too much, so we get the idea the Mac is everywhere. Truth of the matter is, however, that out in the real world, Macs are rare, and while I would certainly like to see Mac support, I find it totally understandable if Microsoft won't bother spending money on only five percent of computer users.

It simply makes no sense.


Macs may be rare where you are but they are certainly everywhere that I am. I see people with them every single day. I don't have to look they are in the coffee shops, they are in the hotels I go to, they are in many of the homes I have to visit. So while it may be 5%, as was stated that is millions of macs and more every day. I agree it would be stupid if MS deliberately did not support macs. After all they do make office for Mac and that really has to be a fraction of the windows version.

I am also seeing small businesses in my area replacing there PC's with Macs. I see it all the time in my field of work. I rarely if ever see them go from Windows/Mac to Linux, it just does not happen here.

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