Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 15th Feb 2010 15:47 UTC
Windows So, after much, much speculation and many, many rumours, Microsoft finally took the wraps off Windows Phone 7 Series, its newest mobile operating system. Hold on to your hats, because uncharacteristically for the Redmond giant, they've rebuilt everything from the ground up - this system has little to no connection to the Windows Mobile of yore. I don't say this lightly - but dear lord, Windows Phone 7 Series is full of win. Update: Hands-on video from Engadget inside. Update II: There is no sync application. It's all done over-the-air, to the internet. Only videos and music are synced via the Zune software. Update III: Since I didn't mention it clearly, here it goes: Windows Phone 7 Series is a clean break. There is no backwards compatibility at all. Update IV: Channel9 has a 22-minute in-depth demonstration of Windows Phone 7 Series.
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Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26

I really didn't want to get into a platform war, but I feel I should debunk some myths you've raised:

Just because you play pirated games on your android

I have the original carts.
However a games console + TV isn't a portable as a smart-phone ;)

doesn't change the fact that for most people the iphone has much more to offer.

I'm yet to see something the iPhone can do that other smart phones cannot.
If anything, the iPhone has always played catch up with Android:
* MMS
* copy/paste
* sat nav
* augmented reality
* alternative browsers
* desktop widgets
* multi-tasking of 3rd party apps
Granted the 1st 3 were [/i]finally[/i] been officially implemented in OS v3, but not before Android had been on the market 12 months.

Android still leads the market on AR and has (arguably) the most sophisticated multi-tasking.

WM still leads the market on quantity of applications (unless you want to count the millions of dumb social networking front-ends on the iPhone?)

So how do Apple respond?
With an ever more erratic control over their app store, that's how.
I've lost count of the number of official complaints lodged against Apple by their own developer community - but who cares about keeping the developers happy when you're Apple and people blindly flock to your products like moths to a light bulb....

Android doesn't have an answer to the itunes store which limits its appeal. Having SSH and FTP are a part of that limited appeal.


What does iTunes have that Android doesn't?
* Google have an app store
* Android can play MP3s so you can just download from Amazon (for example) or stream from Spotify.
* If you really must have iTunes, then you can sync Android up and swap music and videos that way (personally I can't see how iTunes is any more user friendly than dragging and dropping in your file manager of choice - but both options are there for Android users anyway)

And if it was the app store specifically you were referring to, then Google's app store offers everything Apples does and more (due to Apples excessively strict grip on it's community - which I've already brushed on).

Edited 2010-02-16 01:06 UTC

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26


I have the original carts.

That doesn't matter and I doubt you only downloaded the games you have carts for.


What does iTunes have that Android doesn't?
* Google have an app store

AN app store is not the same as the Apple apps store. The selection isn't even close. Apple has much better support from mainstream developers. Games like DOOM and GTA Chinatown wars. Saying that Google has an app store is like saying your local mini-mart has milk and eggs so it is basically the same as wal-mart.

Movie and TV rentals is the other one. With itunes you can rent a movie for 30 days and you don't have to stream it. It's very convenient for travel, especially plane trips.

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

"
I have the original carts.

You're reply: That doesn't matter and I doubt you only downloaded the games you have carts for.
"
I doubt very much you know what you're talking about.

As you'll notice from that reply, it's very easy to make assumptions based on very little information about a person.

So while you continue to make false assumptions about myself, I'll continue to assume that you talk out of your anus ;)

"
What does iTunes have that Android doesn't?
* Google have an app store

You're reply: AN app store is not the same as the Apple apps store. The selection isn't even close. Apple has much better support from mainstream developers. Games like DOOM and GTA Chinatown wars.
"

My reply: Google has Doom, but granted that it doesn't have as many 3D games as the iPhone.
But I personally don't see that as the be-all-end-all.

If I wanted to play console games, I'd buy a DS / PSP.

I had Tomb Raider on my Windows Mobile and rarely played it yet I play Sonic The Hedgehog all the time as I can just play 5 or 10 minutes at a time while waiting for the train.

I tend to see a similar trend I see a lot in Britain. Those with an iPhone tend to play the freebe / $2 games but those who want serious game play because they have more time on their hands (eg commuters); they will have a PSP or DS.

So I'm yet to be convinced that there's as profitable market for large gaming software houses as Apple seem to be promoting.

Maybe in a few years - but at the moment smart phone battery life are still far from ideal and there market is too fragmented and the differences between platforms are too great.

However, going back to your point about choice of apps - I've already addressed this myth earlier and will repeat my point again later in this post.

Saying that Google has an app store is like saying your local mini-mart has milk and eggs so it is basically the same as wal-mart.


Sorry mate, but that's a fraking stupid statement to make.

Are you trying to say is Google's app store isn't an app store?
Are you trying to argue that a centralized repository of free and pay-for applications cannot be advertised as "app store"?
Or that, because it's not made by Apple that it's automatically inferior?

Furthermore, you've completely ignored my point about Apple's strict control over it's app store. So lets make some comparisons:
* Android has tethering apps - Apple does not.
* Android has alternative browsers with different rendering engines - Apple does not.
* Android had sat nav from day one - Apple did not.
* Android had no problems with Nine Inch Nails nor any of the other countless high profile cases where Apple inexplicably rejected their apps.


Movie and TV rentals is the other one. With itunes you can rent a movie for 30 days and you don't have to stream it. It's very convenient for travel, especially plane trips.

I'm guessing you ignored my point that you can use iTunes with Android?

Apple locks you into iTunes.
Google give you the option.

Surely choice is better none?

Edited 2010-02-16 19:48 UTC

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mrhasbean Member since:
2006-04-03

What does iTunes have that Android doesn't?


Grandma and Grandpa usability...

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

"What does iTunes have that Android doesn't?


Grandma and Grandpa usability...
"


My reply:
I don't know about you, but i've never seen a grandparent with a smartphone of any description, let alone an iPhone. In fact, most people of that age group struggle with standard handsets that just dial and text as they've just not grown up with technology - so why would they want an iPhone?

But that aside, Drag and dropping in Windows Explorer is reusing existing IT skills.
Using iTunes is having to learn NEW IT skills.
Plus Android's phone interface is just as intuitive as the iPhones.

So I don't see how Android is any less user friendly than the iPhone.

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