Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 15th Feb 2010 15:47 UTC
Windows So, after much, much speculation and many, many rumours, Microsoft finally took the wraps off Windows Phone 7 Series, its newest mobile operating system. Hold on to your hats, because uncharacteristically for the Redmond giant, they've rebuilt everything from the ground up - this system has little to no connection to the Windows Mobile of yore. I don't say this lightly - but dear lord, Windows Phone 7 Series is full of win. Update: Hands-on video from Engadget inside. Update II: There is no sync application. It's all done over-the-air, to the internet. Only videos and music are synced via the Zune software. Update III: Since I didn't mention it clearly, here it goes: Windows Phone 7 Series is a clean break. There is no backwards compatibility at all. Update IV: Channel9 has a 22-minute in-depth demonstration of Windows Phone 7 Series.
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Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26

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I have the original carts.

You're reply: That doesn't matter and I doubt you only downloaded the games you have carts for.
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I doubt very much you know what you're talking about.

As you'll notice from that reply, it's very easy to make assumptions based on very little information about a person.

So while you continue to make false assumptions about myself, I'll continue to assume that you talk out of your anus ;)

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What does iTunes have that Android doesn't?
* Google have an app store

You're reply: AN app store is not the same as the Apple apps store. The selection isn't even close. Apple has much better support from mainstream developers. Games like DOOM and GTA Chinatown wars.
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My reply: Google has Doom, but granted that it doesn't have as many 3D games as the iPhone.
But I personally don't see that as the be-all-end-all.

If I wanted to play console games, I'd buy a DS / PSP.

I had Tomb Raider on my Windows Mobile and rarely played it yet I play Sonic The Hedgehog all the time as I can just play 5 or 10 minutes at a time while waiting for the train.

I tend to see a similar trend I see a lot in Britain. Those with an iPhone tend to play the freebe / $2 games but those who want serious game play because they have more time on their hands (eg commuters); they will have a PSP or DS.

So I'm yet to be convinced that there's as profitable market for large gaming software houses as Apple seem to be promoting.

Maybe in a few years - but at the moment smart phone battery life are still far from ideal and there market is too fragmented and the differences between platforms are too great.

However, going back to your point about choice of apps - I've already addressed this myth earlier and will repeat my point again later in this post.

Saying that Google has an app store is like saying your local mini-mart has milk and eggs so it is basically the same as wal-mart.


Sorry mate, but that's a fraking stupid statement to make.

Are you trying to say is Google's app store isn't an app store?
Are you trying to argue that a centralized repository of free and pay-for applications cannot be advertised as "app store"?
Or that, because it's not made by Apple that it's automatically inferior?

Furthermore, you've completely ignored my point about Apple's strict control over it's app store. So lets make some comparisons:
* Android has tethering apps - Apple does not.
* Android has alternative browsers with different rendering engines - Apple does not.
* Android had sat nav from day one - Apple did not.
* Android had no problems with Nine Inch Nails nor any of the other countless high profile cases where Apple inexplicably rejected their apps.


Movie and TV rentals is the other one. With itunes you can rent a movie for 30 days and you don't have to stream it. It's very convenient for travel, especially plane trips.

I'm guessing you ignored my point that you can use iTunes with Android?

Apple locks you into iTunes.
Google give you the option.

Surely choice is better none?

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26


Are you trying to say is Google's app store isn't an app store?
Are you trying to argue that a centralized repository of free and pay-for applications cannot be advertised as "app store"?
Or that, because it's not made by Apple that it's automatically inferior?


No I'm saying that the selection is not even close to being comparable. It's like comparing a mini-mart to wal-mart.


Furthermore, you've completely ignored my point about Apple's strict control over it's app store.


The vast majority of consumers don't care and neither do I. Apple has strict control but better selection.


I'm guessing you ignored my point that you can use iTunes with Android?

Oh so you can watch itunes movie rentals with an android device? Do explain how, without hacks.
http://androidforums.com/android-media/39053-help-me-dump-my-ipod-t...


Apple locks you into iTunes.
Google give you the option.
Surely choice is better none?


Apple locks you into an awesome library that has games and applications that are iphone exclusives. You're right that choice is better than none, and that's why I prefer the iphone. Going with Google would give me less choice. I wouldn't be able to choose from a massive library of games and movies. I wouldn't have been able to play beneath a steel sky remastered. I wouldn't have been able to rent movies to watch while traveling. Yes I'm aware that I can't install outside apps. I have no problem forgoing this ability for the itunes library, especially since it is a device for entertainment.

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

No I'm saying that the selection is not even close to being comparable. It's like comparing a mini-mart to wal-mart.

And, as I always explained, that's a dumb example.
But sure, your point sounds valid when you EDIT out other peoples replies debunking your comments like you had.

So I'm not going to bother reiterating my point as you'll just ignore it for a 3rd time.

No I'm saying that the selection is not even close to being comparable. It's like comparing a mini-mart to wal-mart.

As I already explained, Apple does not have better selection.
I listen a number of examples but you EDITED them out.

I appreciate you're in love with your iPhone, and I'm by no means saying that your Jesus-phone(TM) doesn't have it's place on the market - but there's no need for you to exaggerate its significance nor deliberately misquote other people for the sake of pushing forward your own bias.

So please mate, leave the propaganda for Apple as us on here are smart enough to see through the BS.

Apple locks you into an awesome library that has games and applications that are iphone exclusives. You're right that choice is better than none, and that's why I prefer the iphone.

Contradiction alert!
You state the iPhone is locked in then go on to say you prefer choice.
Well with Android you can use iTunes (nice job finding a link to a messageboard that proves nothing by the way ;) ), Amazon and so on.

You have the choice to use the service you want rather than only using iTunes.

Personally I can't stand iTunes (I could list numerous reasons, but at the end of the day, it's just personal preference - much like why you like iTunes) so the fact I have the choice is fantastic for me (and everyone else who doesn't like iTunes).

Going with Google would give me less choice.

As stated above, that's pure garbage.

I have no problem forgoing this ability for the itunes library, especially since it is a device for entertainment.

It's a mobile PHONE, not a DVD player, games console, etc.
However, as stated above, you can STILL do all of the above on Android.

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26


So I'm yet to be convinced that there's as profitable market for large gaming software houses as Apple seem to be promoting.


Have a look at the top grossing games:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/26871/TopGrossing_iPhone_Apps_GT...

EA, Activision and Rockstar all have top sellers. It isn't just about $2 casual games anymore.

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

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So I'm yet to be convinced that there's as profitable market for large gaming software houses as Apple seem to be promoting.


Have a look at the top grossing games:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/26871/TopGrossing_iPhone_Apps_GT...

EA, Activision and Rockstar all have top sellers. It isn't just about $2 casual games anymore.
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They're new comers and it's a new market.
Everything is new and novel.

I'd be more interested to see how these people compete two years down the line (much like how many standard iPhone developers are switching platforms now as there isn't as much money to be made as there was two years ago).

So your comments equate to that of when Microsoft boasted about strong global sales of Vista during it's debut and now it's regarded as one of the worst received OSs:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2007/mar07/03-26VistaDe...

Sure, I foresee iPhone games being more successful than Vista was (relatively speaking), however it's also too early to boast.

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KMDF Member since:
2010-02-17

"If I wanted to play console games, I'd buy a DS / PSP. "

Kind of like if you wanted to SSH you'd do it from your laptop, instead of dicking around on a phone.

Just because you *can* do something with android doesn't mean it's worth it. Android is solving many problems that nobody has.

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

"If I wanted to play console games, I'd buy a DS / PSP. "

Kind of like if you wanted to SSH you'd do it from your laptop, instead of dicking around on a phone.



* Console games kill battery life - SSH doesn't.

* PSP / DS is compact and can be carried in your pocket - a laptop cannot.

* PSP / DS have better controls for gaming than smart phones - SSH only needs a hardware keyboard which my G1 has.

* Console gaming is a luxury - I need SSH on my phone in case one of my servers develops a fault while I'm away from a computer. (though granted that last point is specific to my usage)


Just because you *can* do something with android doesn't mean it's worth it. Android is solving many problems that nobody has.

The exact same argument can be said for the iPhone, WebOS, Windows Phone and every other smart phone OS - so it's a somewhat worthless point given the context of this tangent (comparisons between smart phones).

eg: I could say "just because people can play games on their phones, doesn't mean it's worth it, thus Apple are solving problems that nobody has".

In fact, I could even use your argument against multi-touch, for all the sense your point makes.

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