Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 16th Feb 2010 21:01 UTC
Windows Since I'm a little under the weather at the moment, posting is a bit slow on OSNews (yes, a story about Notion Ink's Adam is upcoming!). I'm kind of picking the simple and easy-to-write items for now, and this is most certainly one of them. As some of you might know, Microsoft unveiled Windows Phone 7 Series yesterday, a complete reboot of its mobile operating system. While little is known about its internals, it's most likely based on Windows Embedded CE 6.0.
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mmm mmm good
by poundsmack on Tue 16th Feb 2010 21:36 UTC
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2005-07-13

Windows CE 6.0 R3 kernel is fantastic. the 6.0 release is by far one of the best embedded systems out there, that and QNX (glorious QNX).

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RE: mmm mmm good
by kragil on Tue 16th Feb 2010 21:46 in reply to "mmm mmm good"
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2006-01-04

It is an improvement and has more future than WinMo (although that doesn't say much), but "best" is a big word .. most embedded devices at this years CES would disagree.

But anyways, I think it is a pretty safe bet that WP7 will have no real multitasking (where it counts) and that app development will done with Silverlight 4.0 and you get apps from the market, but I guess MS will be more developer friendly than Apple in some ways .. not sure which though.

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RE[2]: mmm mmm good
by poundsmack on Tue 16th Feb 2010 22:38 in reply to "RE: mmm mmm good"
poundsmack Member since:
2005-07-13

Most of my coding goes into the embedded space these days, so as far was WinCE (not win phone, but it's underlying platform go) its surprisingly good.

As for multi tasking, WinCE 6.0 R3 is very very good at multi tasking. I would be surprised if MS prevented their phone setup from being able to, after all they are trying to get the edge over apple and that would be a good way to do it. even apple is reportedly going to have multi tasking enabled in their 4.0 release. The only drawback if battery usage increases (and some other things not worth mentioning due to irrelevance). MS wants to get the upper hand, and I would be shocked if they shipped this new mobile OS (based on CE 6.0 R3) totally stripped down, it just wouldn't make sense.

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RE: mmm mmm good
by MysterMask on Wed 17th Feb 2010 00:14 in reply to "mmm mmm good"
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2005-07-12

Windows CE 6.0 R3 kernel is fantastic


How do you know? Compared to what?

(I distinctly remember a door locking system based on an earlier version of WinCE we had to 'hard reboot' several times. Does not sound like a "fantastic kernel" at all. Based on those experiences, I wouldn't trust WinCE a bit - seems more like a toy OS for cheap CE devices to me which is inappropriately used for things it shouldn't just because companies happened to occupy some Windows developer somewhere)

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RE[2]: mmm mmm good
by talaf on Wed 17th Feb 2010 00:27 in reply to "RE: mmm mmm good"
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2008-11-19

He said he was a RT programmer, which seems more knowledgable than you. Your door opening example may well not be an OS problem, it's easy to take a good kernel and trash it with bad coding, especially in the RTOS world.

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RE[2]: mmm mmm good
by poundsmack on Wed 17th Feb 2010 04:13 in reply to "RE: mmm mmm good"
poundsmack Member since:
2005-07-13

"Compared to what?"

BeRTOS, VxWorks, QNX, Nucleus, FreeRTOS, Nuttx, LynxOS, Microware OS-9, MontaVista Linux. (QNX is my favorite. ACCESS linux too, but it doesnt quite count).

"I distinctly remember a door locking system based on an earlier version of WinCE we had to 'hard reboot' several times. Does not sound like a "fantastic kernel" at all."

Prior to WinCE 5 the platform was less than impressive, only keeping up with customer demand, very little innovation. When 5 was released MS aimed at taking their embedded development seriously and innovating instead of doing just what it took to get by. Version 6 later came out making version 5 look like garbage. WinCE 6 is more powerful than any of the OS's I listed at the top (with the exception of QNX).

on a side note, Flash support is going to be easier than with the other OS's since 6.0 R3 already has flash working (flash lite). See what I mean here: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsembedded/en-us/products/windowsce/p...

"New: Internet Explorer Embedded
Internet Explorer feature enhancements like panning and zooming, Flash Lite 3.1 support..."

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