Linked by Kroc Camen on Thu 25th Feb 2010 10:18 UTC
Humor BBC News reports "Mark your diaries for 4 March because in Denver the funeral arrangements are well underway for the planned passing that day of Internet Explorer 6". There's a phobia of being buried alive but I think in this case, it's the living that are all too quick to be shoveling the dirt over as IE6 doesn't officially die until 2014 when Microsoft pull the life-support.
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RE[2]: I like IE6, really
by malxau on Thu 25th Feb 2010 20:51 UTC in reply to "RE: I like IE6, really"
malxau
Member since:
2005-12-04

What about "works with any browser"?

Like the original poster, I can't help but be bemused - an enthusiast site promoting operating systems diversity has become intolerant of browser diversity (at a time when to many, the browser is becoming the operating system.)

In any diverse ecosystem there will be "better" and "worse" participants (whatever that means.) The real issue here is not IE or IE6, but whether people believe that the web should be a platform that is open to anyone, or whether the web should be reserved for people doing the "right thing" (whatever that means.)

On a more technical note, HTML was designed to intelligently degrade when a feature is not present on the renderer. CSS2 really broke that, because if a style is partially supported the result may no longer be legible or correct. This, IMO, is what makes IE6 hard to support. The problem is not (entirely) with IE; the problem is that current web standards demand 100% conformance to have a useful implementation. This is not very open-web-like, and results in very rapid obsoleteness. It certainly discourages the web from being used in expensive hardware (car, fridge, whatever) because doing so demands unsustainably frequent replacement.

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RE[3]: I like IE6, really
by Kroc on Thu 25th Feb 2010 21:18 in reply to "RE[2]: I like IE6, really"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Engine diversity is fine. Inconsistent standards implementation is not. If the GPU world was as messed up as the browser world, gaming would still be back in the 2000’s.

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RE[3]: I like IE6, really
by google_ninja on Thu 25th Feb 2010 21:26 in reply to "RE[2]: I like IE6, really"
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2006-02-05

Two problems.

First, there are loads of things that make the day to day life of a web developer easier. IE doesn't support a lot of them, while every other browser does a fine job with it. Supporting IE means you can't use those things, not supporting IE (but supporting every other browser) and you don't have that problem, unless you are talking about really bleeding edge stuff.

Second problem is that it is very buggy. Every browser has js and css bugs, but IE6 sort of took it to the next level.

As soon as IE6 goes away, it substantially raises the lowest common denominator (which will be IE7), and dramatically reduces the amount of hackery needed to get everything looking right.

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RE[4]: I like IE6, really
by malxau on Fri 26th Feb 2010 00:14 in reply to "RE[3]: I like IE6, really"
malxau Member since:
2005-12-04

All completely true, but isn't it equally true in client software?

If a piece of software supports 4 platforms, one of them will be "worst", and it will simplify things to eliminate it. But even having done so, one will still be "worst". Taken to an extreme, software only runs on one version of one OS (guess which.)

Open source software typically goes in the other direction. If somebody's using BSD, a patch to work around a limitation is contributed, and then the software runs on more platforms. The platform matrix for most OSS is enormous, and frankly, a lot of the platforms are terrible for developers.

I'm not unsympathetic to web developer's plight, since that's what client software developers deal with all the time. But there is an interesting double standard. On the one hand, there's an article about WebKit now running on Haiku, which is seen as goodness even though it's hard to complete and support; then there's an article about dropping IE6, which is seen as goodness too, even though the user base is larger and support story simpler.

Personally, I'm fine with people choosing to run Haiku, or choosing to run IE6. I'd rather users choose their platforms, and developers support users. That's my philosophy when I write my own software.

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