Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 26th Feb 2010 21:09 UTC
Oracle and SUN Microsoft's server and tools chief Bob Muglia has chided Oracle for peddling a return to '1960s computing', accusing its rival of going against industry trends and backing a dying and expensive operating-system architecture. "There are some things that Oracle is doing that I just shake my head at," Muglia told financial analysts attending the Goldman Sachs Technology and Internet Conference in San Francisco, California, "I don't understand what's going to happen - what they think they're going to do with Sparc. I don't see how Sparc can live long-term."
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RE: Why is this news?
by jimmystewpot on Sat 27th Feb 2010 05:13 UTC in reply to "Why is this news?"
jimmystewpot
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2006-01-19

I have to agree with you on that point.

I worked in a shop that was a big Sun SPARC based shop.. it just didn't cut it any longer. The one big exception was the Niagara based processors systems.. To give you an idea, we had a very intensive I/O application (Netbackup) that we had T2000 servers running at 9.2Gbps sustained for the entire backup window. CPU load was about 50% so some bright sparc decided it would be a good idea to buy some XEON based servers because they could get 4 for the same price.. the reality was that they could only do between 4 and 5Gbps tops before they would flat line despite the CPU being only 40% idle.. the workload handling and I/O on the Sun Boxes is amazing... In the end they went back to T2000 based servers running Solaris... no more xeon's running windows doing that I/O workload.

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RE[2]: Why is this news?
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Sat 27th Feb 2010 07:28 in reply to "RE: Why is this news?"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

That's just bizarre. I Understand that Sparcs are capable of handling massive IO better than xeons, but who goes from Solaris on Sparc to windows on Xeons? THose are such completely different platforms. It would be a better comparison to go Solaris on xeons, less disruptive as well.

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RE[3]: Why is this news?
by segedunum on Sun 28th Feb 2010 18:43 in reply to "RE[2]: Why is this news?"
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2005-07-06

It would be a better comparison to go Solaris on xeons, less disruptive as well.

Standard practice over the past ten years has been to move to Linux on Intel or AMD. That's why Sun is now no more. They never saw that coming and never accepted and came up with a solution when it did. Irconically, Oracle were a part of that. Quite what Oracle will do to reverse that state of affairs after Sun's efforts to get the tide to go back I have no idea, so Microsoft are maybe right to have a dig at their expense. No surprise there.

The only option is to get the performance of the SPARC architecure somewhere on a par with current x86 systems and maybe push it into a high-end and lucrative niche where Power lives currently. However, the R and D and huge costs in doing that are so scaringly high as to be infeasible, and it's impossible to see Ellison pumping tens of billions in for a completely uncertain return with no fixed timescale.

I mourn the passing of MIPS, Alpha and possibly SPARC because I just don't think a 'one main architecure' landscape is good for anyone, but it's impossible to see a way out of this.

Edited 2010-02-28 18:45 UTC

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