Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 2nd Mar 2010 14:04 UTC
SkyOS Over the past couple of months, I've been getting a number of emails asking me about SkyOS' status. Since I didn't know anything beyond what's on the SkyOS website, and because, well, I have no affiliation with SkyOS, I couldn't really reply to these emails. However, after yet another email sent to me late last week, I decided to simply... Email Robert Szeleney, the man behind the project.
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RE[3]: sad
by nt_jerkface on Tue 2nd Mar 2010 19:30 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: sad"
nt_jerkface
Member since:
2009-08-26

You're naive if you think he created a posix compatible monokernel and an original tcp/ip stack without borrowing a significant amount of GPL and BSD code.

He's a very talented developer but also a liar.

Ask him to open source just the kernel and tcp/ip stack for academic reasons. Let's see what lousy excuse he comes up with.

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RE[4]: sad
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 2nd Mar 2010 19:47 in reply to "RE[3]: sad"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

He's a very talented developer but also a liar.


Proof, sonny. You can't make claims like this without proof.

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RE[5]: sad
by nt_jerkface on Tue 2nd Mar 2010 20:14 in reply to "RE[4]: sad"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

No one has access to the code so nothing can be proven. However his claims are highly suspicious given how many man-hours it takes to build a tcp/ip stack and kernel from scratch and how oddly similar his design choices are to Unix-like systems. It would be one thing if he had been working on a system like Haiku that can not easily take from FreeBSD/Linux systems but a posix compatible monokernel?

So anyways how much money did you send him Thom?

Funny how he has been suspected of GPL violations in the past yet never wanted to clear his name by open sourcing the project. What kind of IP would he be giving away here? It isn't as if there is a shortage of Unix-like monokernels.

Why not just open it so we can see his pre-emptive multitasking kernel? It would be interesting to see the kernel design decisions he made in comparison to the teams that have worked on the BSD and Linux kernels.

I'm going to build a Quake 3 like engine this weekend that just happens to work with Quake 3 mods. I'll be charging $15 for the beta so go ahead and send me your money.

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RE[4]: sad
by bebop on Tue 2nd Mar 2010 22:33 in reply to "RE[3]: sad"
bebop Member since:
2009-05-12

While using GPL without releasing at least that part of the source code would indeed violate the terms of the GPL, there is absolutely nothing wrong with using BSD and not releasing the source code. With this in mind he easily could have used one of the *BSD's network code, and he would have had no obligations to then release his source code.

This is in fact what was done with Haiku-os implementation of the Be file system. SkyOS took the implementation and used it. This is acceptable under the terms of the BSD license.

I also agree with Thom that you cannot prove he used GPL (which I hope you are convinced is the only thing that would be a problem) without seeing his source code. So please be considerate of the amount of work that someone put into this operating system.

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RE[5]: sad
by nt_jerkface on Wed 3rd Mar 2010 04:39 in reply to "RE[4]: sad"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

While using GPL without releasing at least that part of the source code would indeed violate the terms of the GPL, there is absolutely nothing wrong with using BSD and not releasing the source code. With this in mind he easily could have used one of the *BSD's network code, and he would have had no obligations to then release his source code.


I wouldn't care if he used BSD code if he was honest about it. That's the whole issue. I don't believe that his kernel and tcp/ip stack are original as claimed. I consider him to be a very shady person and I bet he used GPL code as well.

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