Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 2nd Mar 2010 14:04 UTC
SkyOS Over the past couple of months, I've been getting a number of emails asking me about SkyOS' status. Since I didn't know anything beyond what's on the SkyOS website, and because, well, I have no affiliation with SkyOS, I couldn't really reply to these emails. However, after yet another email sent to me late last week, I decided to simply... Email Robert Szeleney, the man behind the project.
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nt_jerkface
Member since:
2009-08-26

You're the one who is ignorant.

The Linux kernel was recently pegged at over a billion in value due to the amount of work that has gone into it.

Yet I am supposed to believe that Robert made his own posix compatible monokernel and tcp/ip stack in a few years without taking GPL or BSD code.

But he did fork the file system, and so we are supposed to just take his word that he didn't take code from anywhere else?

You were probably one of the people that paid for the beta. I called this vapor-ware from the start and Robert's little followers called me ignorant then among other things.

Open-sourcing SkyOS would show how similar the kernel is to Linux and FreeBSD and I would expect directly copied GPL code as well.

Individuals can build hobby operating systems but SkyOS was developed too quickly and had too many features for one person to build from scratch.

Now after charging people to run a beta (hilarious) he doesn't want to open source the project and is now interested in iphone development. That sounds like a person of character who would never steal code.

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Darkness Member since:
2005-08-27

You don't know Robert.

There are standard libraries/application in SkyOS that are GPL but he posted any changes made to those projects on the site or submitted them as a patch.

Also, I have had multiple occasions where porting an application was not easy due to missing functions that other operating systems have in their standard C library. It would be so easy to copy those functions from GPL code but he refused to do that because of the licensing.

For most of those functions, there is a good description of what they do. For a good programmer, that is enough information to write the method yourself.

I even have seen some parts of the code and never noticed anything that looked like a GPL violation.
Also, there are other licenses that do not prevent undisclosed use of the code.

I have seen how fast Robert was able to rewrite GUI parts from scratch with a better architecture. In fact he even started rewriting the kernel to get rid of some old design flaws. He didn't continue that because there were more important things to get done (at that time)

If you worked with Robert directly, you know that he is capable of producing code at an incredible speed without needing GPL code. Claiming that GPL code was responsible for the fast pace SkyOS was progressing with just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

You don't know Robert.

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If you worked with Robert directly, you know that he is capable of producing code at an incredible speed without needing GPL code. Claiming that GPL code was responsible for the fast pace SkyOS was progressing with just shows that you don't know what you're talking about.


I don't doubt that he is a talented developer. I've already acknowledged that. However I also think he is a talented liar.

When I told people not to pay for the beta I was told then by his little followers that he could be trusted and was a coding genius. So looking back my judgement of the project was much more accurate than the people working with him. I accurately predicted that the final would never come and Robert would not refund any of the money.

Now he is going to let the project die and switch to iphone development. He has no plans to open source it either. What a great guy.

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brynet Member since:
2010-03-02

Who are you to judge the pace at which a person can develop an operating system? from what I've read it took him several years.

I do not use SkyOS, nor have I paid for anything.. but I have no reason to doubt that the author has written the operating system himself.

Again, I urge you to do a little research.. I know of several hobby kernels that do indeed support networking and include their own GUI.

Even if he did indeed utilize BSD licenced code for his project, it was well within the licence for him to do so.

Stop trolling, and take a look around.. osdev.org has a list of projects, with varying degree of completeness.

Edited 2010-03-03 03:32 UTC

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Trivial Solutions Member since:
2010-01-19

osdev is a bunch of clowns reinventing linux, poorly.

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