Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 2nd Mar 2010 14:04 UTC
SkyOS Over the past couple of months, I've been getting a number of emails asking me about SkyOS' status. Since I didn't know anything beyond what's on the SkyOS website, and because, well, I have no affiliation with SkyOS, I couldn't really reply to these emails. However, after yet another email sent to me late last week, I decided to simply... Email Robert Szeleney, the man behind the project.
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RE[4]: open source?
by tylerdurden on Wed 3rd Mar 2010 02:07 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: open source?"
tylerdurden
Member since:
2009-03-17

FreeBSD's D-trace and ZFS beg to differ...

Furthermore, the whole point of OpenSolaris was to act as a test bed for future technologies destined to end up in future iterations of Solaris, not as a pool to develop their kernel using unpaid anonymous parties.

This is probably one of those times in which you equate your perception of something you know nothing about (in terms of specifics), with reality.

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RE[5]: open source?
by kaiwai on Wed 3rd Mar 2010 03:46 in reply to "RE[4]: open source?"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

FreeBSD's D-trace and ZFS beg to differ...

Furthermore, the whole point of OpenSolaris was to act as a test bed for future technologies destined to end up in future iterations of Solaris, not as a pool to develop their kernel using unpaid anonymous parties.

This is probably one of those times in which you equate your perception of something you know nothing about (in terms of specifics), with reality.


Yes, that is very nice but they're examples of another project gaining of the technology made available through the open source project but you haven't actually said anything regarding the fact that there is a lack of external developers outside of Sun.

The purpose of OpenSolaris is more than just a jerk around play fest, it was there to create a community of users and advocates to push OpenSolaris further into enterprise and academic customers in the same way that Linux made their way in to such organisations during the early high growth days of Linux.

There are things that need fixing up; the FAT file system driver within Solaris is a single locked, poorly optimised but functional driver that needs some TLC. This is where the 'community' can come together that can address a short coming that is important but not important enough for Sun to address valuable resources to fixing up the short comings. That is one example of where the 'community' can step up and fill in a position where the project is lacking. No one is talking about any old random person contributing something but I am talking about more people from outside Sun, be they third parties who work with Sun or even just enthusiasts with a good programming track record contributing back to the project in areas that need attention for users like me but aren't high enough as far as Sun/Oracles business plan as to allocate resources.

As for my position regarding Solaris over all, I'd love to see Solaris take off - I'd love to see it as being not only a robust competitor to Linux in the enterprise but I'd also love to see it as a competitive alternative to Linux and Windows on the desktop - for those who don't want the bleeding edge but instead a reliable community supported alternative operating system. To imply that I'm some sort of OpenSolaris hater is as far from the truth as one can get.

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RE[6]: open source?
by sakeniwefu on Wed 3rd Mar 2010 14:40 in reply to "RE[5]: open source?"
sakeniwefu Member since:
2008-02-26

OpenSolaris couldn't take off because it doesn't have anything to sell.

The niche is all but exhausted.

Linux was the first and it has GNU and the GPL. FreeBSD is reasonably well done, free and can incorporate unfree and weirdly licensed code easily unlike GPL code.

Other BSDs fill even smaller niches. There is just no place for ugly OpenSolaris to fit into.

But it still contributed some code and ideas to other projects. You can't really call it "dead".

If SkyOS had something to contribute it would be nice to open source it, but above all the author's will has to be respected. He wrote it after all. If you want code, write it yourself, don't demand.

Still, IMO, he was a bit too ambitious when he thought he could do it alone even years ago.

You can do a proof of concept alone, but a real OS that people actually want to use, and even pay for, now and 20 years ago needs a lot of work, and a single man just cannot do it. Even if you are aiming for embedded systems.

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RE[6]: open source?
by tylerdurden on Thu 4th Mar 2010 23:54 in reply to "RE[5]: open source?"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

OpenSolaris, unlike Linux depends on a very specific corporation. Since it is their product, it has a very different set of goals and target audience than you may feel like projecting onto it. That being said, no one is stopping you from signing up as a developer for OpenSolaris and contribute to your heart's content.

It just gets really tiring to hear people bitch, just for the sake of bitching... and still think they have contributed something.

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