Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 5th Mar 2010 18:56 UTC
Internet & Networking Just this morning, as I turned on my bedroom Windows 7 PC, I was greeted by the familiar "You've got updates!" notification. It turns out this was the much-talked about browser ballot - after installing, though, I couldn't find the darn thing (probably because I uninstalled IE long ago). Anyway, to get to the point: we have more complaints. A few browser vendors are - once again - unsatisfied with the ballot's design. On a related note, Opera is already claiming an increase in downloads.
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Macs and Linux
by shashank_hi on Fri 5th Mar 2010 21:43 UTC
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2009-08-27

Do Macs and Linux offer a "browser ballot" in Europe?

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RE: Macs and Linux
by darknexus on Fri 5th Mar 2010 21:53 in reply to "Macs and Linux"
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2008-07-15

Nope, and here's to hoping this ballot syndrome doesn't spread to any other platforms. Personally, I think Microsoft allowing the uninstall of IE is enough, that puts it on par with OS X, Linux, etc where the browser can quickly and easily be removed and replaced with whatever browser you want. Honestly, I'll never use Opera out of sheer disgust for what they've started, the crybabies.

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RE: Macs and Linux
by ssa2204 on Fri 5th Mar 2010 22:55 in reply to "Macs and Linux"
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2006-04-22

Do Macs and Linux offer a "browser ballot" in Europe?


It does beg the question doesn't it? And where does this end? Do the makers of media players now request a ballot? E-mail clients? Text editors? Calculator? Does Firefox now need to include a search engine ballot, because you know who is the default search engine for Firefox.

Who would have thought so much fighting over marketshare for free products.

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RE: Macs and Linux
by SlackerJack on Fri 5th Mar 2010 23:09 in reply to "Macs and Linux"
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2005-11-12

Well the thing about Linux here is that you can uninstall the default browser. Distros pick which browser they want and as you may know, Linux doesn't have a monopoly in the desktop market( you cannot fault a distro for picking Firefox because they actually 'picked' it).

This is what Microsoft get for locking in their software too tight, Apple do it too ( can you uninstall Safari?).

I wish people would get their facts straight about default browsers on other OS's. Microsoft are in this position for a reason and other OS's are not because they don't have the IE tied into Windows/Monopoly deal.

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RE[2]: Macs and Linux
by Soulbender on Sat 6th Mar 2010 08:16 in reply to "RE: Macs and Linux"
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2005-08-18

Well the thing about Linux here is that you can uninstall the default browser.


Really. Can I uninstall KHTML? How well does GNOME work without GtkHTML?
Last time I checked (1 minute ago) it was perfectly possible to remove IE (that is the IE icon so it is effectively removed even though the engine is still there) and install alternative browers.
The browser ballot is a bullshit, pencil-pusher solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

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RE: Macs and Linux
by dylansmrjones on Sat 6th Mar 2010 00:01 in reply to "Macs and Linux"
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2005-10-02

Linux doesn't, but it's only a kernel after all. GNU/Linux distributions usually don't come with a browser ballot like the one MS has been forced to implement. However, since no GNU/Linux distribution comes with an uninstallable browser there is no problem. Besides that they don't have a de-facto monopoly. Neither does Apple which is why they can get away with duplicating Microsofts behavior.

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RE[2]: Macs and Linux
by Soulbender on Mon 8th Mar 2010 05:54 in reply to "RE: Macs and Linux"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Server 2008 core does not install a browser so you can technically use Windows without one.

Besides that they don't have a de-facto monopoly.


Neither does MS. There's plenty of competition from Linux and Apple.

Neither does Apple which is why they can get away with duplicating Microsofts behavior.


Heck, Apple is worse, it's just that they're not large enough to make a real impact.

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RE: Macs and Linux
by KAMiKAZOW on Sat 6th Mar 2010 02:58 in reply to "Macs and Linux"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

Do Macs and Linux offer a "browser ballot" in Europe?

Good Linux distro come with a software ballot -- meaning they have a "Customize" button during the install procedure.
Usually at very least Firefox, Konqueror, Epiphany, and a couple of text browsers are included on the DVD.
People may also chose their desktop environment (KDE Plasma, GNOME, Xfce,...), office suite (OpenOffice, KOffice, AbiWord+Gnumeric,..).

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RE: Macs and Linux
by PLan on Sat 6th Mar 2010 11:34 in reply to "Macs and Linux"
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2006-01-10

Do Macs and Linux have browsers that are so ubiquitous they are capable of setting de facto web standards ?

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RE[2]: Macs and Linux
by Soulbender on Mon 8th Mar 2010 05:51 in reply to "RE: Macs and Linux"
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2005-08-18

Do Macs and Linux have browsers that are so ubiquitous they are capable of setting de facto web standards ?


Firefox?

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