Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 9th Mar 2010 16:58 UTC
Legal We have some very, very good news for Europeans (which happens to include myself): we have the European Parliament on our sides when it comes to battling ACTA. If you may recall, ACTA is basically an attempt by the US to impose upon the rest of the world draconian measures like three strikes laws and the DMCA. All parties within the European Parliament have together put forth a resolution that would effectively tackle ACTA.
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WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

What about child porn? Should you have total privacy there as well?

There is no right to illegal activity, especially when using a private service.


First of all, trying to turn this discussion to child porn is not only misleading it's also downright stupid. Child porn hurts real people whereas digital piracy hurts only someone's wallet, and even then it hurts that person's wallet if the person downloading unauthorized material would buy it if it wasn't accessible; if the person wouldn't buy it anyway even if it wasn't accessible in an unauthorized form then it doesn't hurt anyone's pocket at all. So, child porn and digital piracy are two VERY different things.

Now secondly, I still think no private corporation should be allowed to monitor one's traffic, even if it was about child porn. Only the service provider (ie. in the case of child porn it'd be the company hosting those files), ISP or police should have the right to do that, no one else, and even then they should not be allowed to monitor all kinds of traffic.

There's a huge difference between using a fake IP and faking someone's IP to make it look like they torrented a bunch of movies.

How exactly? Do you suppose that when you fake an IP address it just somehow magically appears in a log without any data going back and forth? I don't know enough to spoof things myself but it doesn't mean it ain't possible.

If someone downloads 20gb in movies your ISP can tell if 20gb of torrent packets actually went through to you during that period.

Oo, and AGAIN we circulate to ISPs having to log all traffic. And AGAIN you choose to ignore that whole thing.

People lose legal rights when they break the law. Internet access should be the same way.

They lose only a very small subset of them and only temporarily. For example electricity is a basic right; even if you do illegal electricity work at your home and get disconnected from a certain provider you are still free to make a contract with another one. The same applies to Internet: it is a basic right and if you do something illegal you may get disconnected from that provider but you are free to make another contract.

A balance between privacy and support for content producers needs to be found or else you are allowing piracy to exist. Pirates will not come forward on their own and report themselves. Copyright laws will be widely ignored if the populace knows that the government won't enforce them. We've already seen this happen in parts of Asia.

Indeed. Then come up with a law that doesn't trample on people's rights and I'll support it. I still won't accept ACTA.

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26


First of all, trying to turn this discussion to child porn is not only misleading it's also downright stupid.

I'm making a point that no one is for a 100% private internet.


Child porn hurts real people whereas digital piracy hurts only someone's wallet


It destroys real paychecks and you don't seem to care about that. You support busting people who download child porn which I agree with but you don't support busting even the worst piracy offenders because you seem to believe that digital thieves are for some reason special enough for protection.


Now secondly, I still think no private corporation should be allowed to monitor one's traffic, even if it was about child porn.

That doesn't make sense. Why shouldn't a private entity be allowed to do it? Would you shut down a corporation that busts hundreds of child pornographers a year through IP tracing? Would it be ok if they were a non-profit?


Oo, and AGAIN we circulate to ISPs having to log all traffic. And AGAIN you choose to ignore that whole thing.


That type of traffic is already logged. You can fake an IP address but you can't fake an established torrent connection that routes 20 gb of torrent traffic through your local hub.

In fact a good compromise here might be to limit the bandwidth of repeat offenders and use software to disrupt their torrent and p2p connections. It would certainly be a better solution than yours which amounts to doing nothing (allowing piracy).

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

That doesn't make sense. Why shouldn't a private entity be allowed to do it? Would you shut down a corporation that busts hundreds of child pornographers a year through IP tracing? Would it be ok if they were a non-profit?

Non-profit, for-profit, a large corporation or a single home users, it doesn't make any difference! No random entity should be allowed to sniff freely around other people's traffic, including IMs, e-mails, anything private going. They're not allowed to do that for phone conversations either and that's exactly how it should be!

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the_leander Member since:
2005-07-01


It destroys real paychecks and you don't seem to care about that.


You are actually trying to tie people who consider hard-line anti piracy measures that strip a person of legitimate and vital legal protections (trial by jury, innocence until proven guilty) to child abusers?

There is a clear difference between those who infringe copyright in a private manner and who make no profit and professional pirates. Punishment must fit the crime and fools like you trying to somehow tie child abuse with downloading Britney Spears latest single do not help matters.

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