Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 9th Mar 2010 16:58 UTC
Legal We have some very, very good news for Europeans (which happens to include myself): we have the European Parliament on our sides when it comes to battling ACTA. If you may recall, ACTA is basically an attempt by the US to impose upon the rest of the world draconian measures like three strikes laws and the DMCA. All parties within the European Parliament have together put forth a resolution that would effectively tackle ACTA.
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Soulbender
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2005-08-18

The whole reason that most EU states get away with not having much of an army of their own is because the U.S. -- they guys with the biggest military of any single nation on Earth -- is guaranteeing their security from outside threats for them.


Most EU states does not have any outside threats to be protected from. And seriously, the reason for the heavy US military presence in Europe is mostly a left-over from the cold war.

The whole reason, for example, that Japan can be right next to China


Uhm, aren't we talking about Europe?

and not have a standing army is because the U.S. has kindly pledged our own military to their defence!


Wow, yeah. Kindly. The Japanese constitution (which has the no armed forces clause) was imposed by the U.S after WW2. Kind has very little to do with it.

If ACTA is ratified, it'll actually create a whole raft of onerous new requirements for U.S. citizens too -- and the U.S. public is being kept just much in the dark as everyone else is.


yes, but that doesn't make cramming it down the throat of everyone else less bad.

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smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

So much america bashing going on, it's sad.

It's true western europe doesn't have anything to worry about, but eastern europe still very much fears Russia. Especially after their invasion of Georgia. A lot of former client states feel like they could be next.

I may disagree with a lot of american policies, but there are some good ones too and that shouldn't be ignored. What do you think would happen to South Korea if our troops withdrew?

And as far as america fearing other countries building up their militaries, it's been kind of the opposite actually. We've been practically begging Europe and Japan to increase their armed forces, under the assumption that if they did so more troops would go to NATO peacekeeping missions, which is something our own military hates to do (and therefore sucks at). You could also supply more ships to the naval patrols off Somalia stopping the pirate attacks, something the US would really love and which is less controversial than some other tasks. I do think we fear China's military buildup, but Europe seriously is not even on the radar. We wish it was...

Anyway, every country on earth tries to bargain and get it's own way when dealing with others, and you're naive if you think any differently. Even countries within the EU negotiate and try to outmaneuver others they are supposedly so close with, for the good of their own citizens over their neighbors. Does america's military play a part in that for the US - sure. But looking at the big picture, I'd say it's played a far lesser role than our dominance in the economic arena has. I think that's a credit to the us, because a lot of other countries in the same position probably wouldn't be able to say the same thing.

Edited 2010-03-10 05:22 UTC

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smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

Anyway, back to what i think the original point was:

Yes, DMCA is american, being pushed by America, and sucks.

But it's hardly the only sucky law. The much critisized 3 strikes laws would never fly here in america. Instead, they're being pushed mostly by european countries. And with that italian court decision, you can even see that the DMCA has some benefits that europe doesn't have.

So complaining about how the US is behind some gigantic plot to fool the rest of the world is just stupid. It's the content providers and their whole industry that is driving this forward, and that includes plenty of Europeans.

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