Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 12th Mar 2010 20:42 UTC
Google It's been quiet about the Google-China dispute for a while now, but today, the silence was broken by China's minister of Industry and Information Technology, Li Yizhong, who stated that Google must either obey Chinese law or "pay the consequences", leaving no room for a compromise. With more and more western countries building their own internet filters and internet monitoring schemes, it becomes ever harder to make a strong fist against China.
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RE[2]: Comment by Vanger
by Vanger on Fri 12th Mar 2010 21:23 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Vanger"
Vanger
Member since:
2007-11-28

You have state firewall building up.

You're as bad as China, North Korea or Britain, so you should be taken down!

Guys! Guys? Where are you, guys?..

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RE[3]: Comment by Vanger
by StaubSaugerNZ on Fri 12th Mar 2010 21:54 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Vanger"
StaubSaugerNZ Member since:
2007-07-13

You have state firewall building up.

You're as bad as China, North Korea or Britain, so you should be taken down!

Guys! Guys? Where are you, guys?..


You are right. It is very bad. I also accept your criticism of my government's policies - which was the whole point of this discussion by the way (many readers within China refuse to accept any criticism, which I guess would mean a "loss of face" rather than accepting it as a contribution from another person's point-of-view).

The technical citizens are trying to do something about it in New Zealand. We defeated one bad industry based law but industry is relentless in coming up with new ones (plus, the FBI has put wiretapping devices in all of our ISPs, which our ISPs are legally obliged to install, plus probably in yours too since these devices are in almost all internet enabled countries - which means TOR is pretty much useless btw).

Edited 2010-03-12 21:56 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by Vanger
by Vanger on Fri 12th Mar 2010 22:11 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Vanger"
Vanger Member since:
2007-11-28

Emm.
Your contribution is as valuable, as telling them that they have mongoloid faces.
Surely they need to applaud you for this brilliant entry, captain obvious.

My point in the discussion is "So what?".
Let the Chinese decide for themselves and New Zealanders for themselves.

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RE[4]: Comment by Vanger
by pepper on Sat 13th Mar 2010 06:25 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Vanger"
pepper Member since:
2007-09-18

(plus, the FBI has put wiretapping devices in all of our ISPs, which our ISPs are legally obliged to install, plus probably in yours too since these devices are in almost all internet enabled countries - which means TOR is pretty much useless btw).


I would really like to see some technical details here.

I'm not in ISP business but at least the German government had to specify and deploy dedicated surveilance equippment for the data rentention laws. I also didn't see any port labeled "FBI uplink" last time I saw ISP level network equippment.

You only mention FBI, so maybe your focus was on US colonies like .uk, .nz and .au?

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RE[4]: Comment by Vanger
by Soulbender on Sun 14th Mar 2010 09:57 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Vanger"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Since when does FBI has any jurisdiction in NZ?

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