Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 16th Mar 2010 16:54 UTC
Internet Explorer As predicted, more Microsoft news from MIX10, and this is some big stuff: Internet Explorer 9. As we all know, Microsoft really let Internet Explorer rot away, allowing competitors to make much better browsers with better standards compliance and performance. With IE9, Microsoft is aiming to not just close that gap - but to overtake the competition. Update: Ars has an in-depth look at the platform preview.
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RE[2]: Not actually new...
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 16th Mar 2010 23:17 UTC in reply to "RE: Not actually new..."
Thom_Holwerda
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2005-06-29

In particular they are adding a non-compatible video tag (doesn't support royalty free theora codec). The average "incompatibility rate" of IE will still remain high.


As much as I dislike h264, this is just nonsense. There is, sadly, nothing non-standard about using h264 as the video codec for HTML5 video.

And the beauty is - if you have the Theora codec installed on Windows (through the mega codec pack, for instance), Theora video will most likely work fine as well - the wonders of DirectShow (or whatever it's called in Vista/7).

You're really grasping at straws here.

EDIT: Oh, it's called Media Foundation in Vista/7 - DirectShow is still there though for compatibility reasons.

Edited 2010-03-16 23:18 UTC

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RE[3]: Not actually new...
by lemur2 on Wed 17th Mar 2010 00:01 in reply to "RE[2]: Not actually new..."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

I think this long-overdue move to support for web standards in IE is very welcome, and I applaud it. Only good can come from this.

As much as I dislike h264, this is just nonsense. There is, sadly, nothing non-standard about using h264 as the video codec for HTML5 video.

And the beauty is - if you have the Theora codec installed on Windows (through the mega codec pack, for instance), Theora video will most likely work fine as well - the wonders of DirectShow (or whatever it's called in Vista/7).


I have but one quibble. If Microsoft can include h264 support by default (and charge their users for the royalties), what would it hurt to include Theora support by default as well? It wouldn't hurt Microsoft, and it wouldn't cost Microsoft or Microsoft's users anything.

With the latest development of Theora in the experimental Ptalarbvorm build, Theora is looking as if it may be able to surpass h264 in performance as a codec for use on the web.

http://xiphmont.livejournal.com/48207.html

If Microsoft included support for Theora as well as h264 by default, then IE would support the leading codecs for HTML5, and there would be an even playing field between them.

Web page providers could choose either video format and be confident that most browsers could render the video. Those browsers that couldn't (*cough* Safari) would soon have to comply to remain competitive. This would make it viable for low-budget and community web sites to still host video without having to pay license fees to MPEG LA for h264. We would enable participation for all on the web (not just corporations), as it was originally designed for.

If Microsoft leave out default support for Theora, then they are still trying to use their position to suppress open formats on the web, IMO.

Edited 2010-03-17 00:03 UTC

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RE[4]: Not actually new...
by mat69 on Wed 17th Mar 2010 21:31 in reply to "RE[3]: Not actually new..."
mat69 Member since:
2006-03-29

What I don't get in this context is that supporting ogg would be even a competitive advantage for IE over Firefox and Opera as IE then would support more codecs.

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