Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 22nd Mar 2010 00:07 UTC, submitted by Jim Lynch
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu How surprised would you be, if I walked up to you and told you that every human needs oxygen to survive? I'm assuming that you wouldn't at all be surprised - you might start feeling a little uneasy that a random stranger walked up to you with such a crazy question, but you wouldn't be surprised by the we-need-oxygen fact. Apparently, people are surprised that Ubuntu is not a democracy.
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RE[2]: Democracy
by Neolander on Mon 22nd Mar 2010 18:02 UTC in reply to "RE: Democracy"
Neolander
Member since:
2010-03-08

"Mandriva being unable to switch to the standard-compliant Network manager since so many years."

Erm. What 'standards' are you talking about?

It's supported by freedesktop, the closest thing to standards for anything that's GUI-related on linux. And last time I used Mandriva (2009 or 2009 spring I think), the default Mandriva One install still included some horribly impractical software in place of it.

(If I remember well, to connect to a wifi network, you must
-Right-click on the tray icon
-Click on some wireless-related menu item
-Wait until a window displays
-Wait for a refresh
-Click on the network you want to connect to
-Click "connect"
-Enter your user password
-Wait for a new window to show up
-Choose the right encryption method, type in your wi-fi password
-Wait until the network connects
-Close the first window that's still around
-Browse the web

On NM, you...
-Click on the tray icon
-Select your network menu
-Type in your wifi password
-Wait until the network connects
-Browse the web

The last one is sure inspired by the Mac (and does even better since ethernet is available at the same place), but it works so much better...)

Edited 2010-03-22 18:22 UTC

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RE[3]: Democracy
by vivainio on Mon 22nd Mar 2010 18:46 in reply to "RE[2]: Democracy"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

The last one is sure inspired by the Mac (and does even better since ethernet is available at the same place), but it works so much better...)


Since when did not sucking horribly require inspiration from mac? ui design for network connector is not rocket science.

I'd rather have it work like my n900 though - no queries for gnome keyring passwords or annoying stuff like that.

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RE[4]: Democracy
by Neolander on Mon 22nd Mar 2010 19:34 in reply to "RE[3]: Democracy"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Since when did not sucking horribly require inspiration from mac? ui design for network connector is not rocket science.

First, I did not say that (or at least did not mean it). My point was that NM design appeared after OS X and looks strangely close, so that it is probably reasonable to say that they didn't find it out all by themselves.

About rocket science... I would think the same way as you if I did not met the way of...
-Windows network assistants (95->XP)
-Messy third-party tools for network connection when Windows was not good at it
-Vista/7's network center (when I see that, I have a feeling of nostalgia about assistants)
-Network management on Mac OS Classic

It looks like making network connection that just works is not that obvious...

I'd rather have it work like my n900 though - no queries for gnome keyring passwords or annoying stuff like that.

Well, I usually answer "continue" without typing a password when I see that window, it tells me that what I do is extremely dangerous and then never annoys me again.

Edited 2010-03-22 19:40 UTC

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RE[3]: Democracy
by AdamW on Mon 22nd Mar 2010 22:06 in reply to "RE[2]: Democracy"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

It should display a list of available networks when you left-click, much as NetworkManager does.

But I'm not debating which tool's better, I was just a bit puzzled by the OP's reference to 'standards'. There are no standards for Linux network configuration tools.

Mandriva's drakconnect wireless functionality considerably pre-dates NetworkManager, in fact. It also works within the traditional Red Hat /etc/sysconfig/network* + 'network' service paradigm, rather than replacing it as NetworkManager does, so ironically it's more compatible with the old Red Hat way of doing things than NetworkManager is =)

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RE[4]: Democracy
by AdamW on Mon 22nd Mar 2010 22:09 in reply to "RE[3]: Democracy"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

forgot to mention - NetworkManager isn't 'supported' by freedesktop.org. It's hosted on their servers, but there's no draft or final fd.o policy which makes any reference to it.

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