Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 23rd Mar 2010 16:26 UTC
Opera Software Think of Opera what you want, but those Norwegian guys and girls know how to get publicity. The company has announced it has submitted Opera Mini to the iPhone's App Store, and it has launched a website with a count-up timer, following how long it will take Apple to approve it - if at all, of course.
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bornagainenguin
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2005-08-07

hibridmatthias asked...

I actually like Opera as a browser. Does anyone else here or is this just an Apple slamming sesson? That would make Opera one step closer to truly cross platform, no? That can only be a good thing...


Opera is an also ran at this point. They were good once, back in the 5.x to 7.x days, but a refusal to listen to their users and willful sabotage of features like adblocking spelled their end as soon as people had something else to go to. Opera may have invented many of the features now popular on Firefox and other browsers, but their top down approach alienated enough users that they have very little chance of recovering their former position today.

These days Opera is to browsers what Palm is to PDAs.

--bornagainpenguin

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plague Member since:
2006-05-08

Umm, ok, that's one opinion, here's mine..
I actually still think Opera is the best browser out there and the only other one that's even coming close is Chrome. Firefox and IE are both way to slow for my taste (yes I think Firefox feels slowish overall) and both of them have a tab behavior I really don't like. Plus a whole other set of reasons I won't go into right now, except maybe the fact that Opera continuously introduces new stuff that other browsers later borrow.
I think it's pretty awesome that they are the only ones with such a fast and effective browser for mobile systems. No other browser comes even close, and it's not like Apple, Microsoft and Google don't have the resources to do it. I bet Chrome will be there soon enough with similar speed and functionality, but Opera Mini has existed for years already.

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PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

Opera is an also ran at this point. They were good once, back in the 5.x to 7.x days, but a refusal to listen to their users and willful sabotage of features like adblocking spelled their end as soon as people had something else to go to.

Say what?

Opera has more desktop users than ever. About 50 million. It also has about 50 million Opera Mini users.

So Opera actually has at least 100 million users!

How did Opera sabotage adblocking?

And how did anything spell "their end", considering that Opera's desktop user base has been more than doubling every two years?

Opera may have invented many of the features now popular on Firefox and other browsers, but their top down approach alienated enough users that they have very little chance of recovering their former position today.

What former position? Opera never held a dominant position. In fact, Opera is stronger today than it has ever been.

These days Opera is to browsers what Palm is to PDAs.

Opera is the dominant mobile browser, and has 50 million desktop users. It also keeps inventing features that other browsers rip off.

And Opera 10.5 is the fastest browser out there.

Looks like you need to go back to history class, because you just flunked.

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bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

PresentIt spouted...

Opera is an also ran at this point. They were good once, back in the 5.x to 7.x days, but a refusal to listen to their users and willful sabotage of features like adblocking spelled their end as soon as people had something else to go to.

Say what?

Opera has more desktop users than ever. About 50 million. It also has about 50 million Opera Mini users.

So Opera actually has at least 100 million users!


I'd love to know which exact nether region you're pulling those stats out of. Perhaps their presence in the mobile market is quite high, but consider that in some of those use cases Opera is the only option available for the platform. In such cases having the user use Opera where it is the only option available means very little in the long run. It isn't as though everyone who uses Opera on their Nintendo DS and then decides to start using it on the desktop. I'm sure it does happen occasionally, but how often is that?

PresentIt spouted...
How did Opera sabotage adblocking?


Just read the Opera Forums! The subject has come up endlessly and the Opera developers simply refused to add adblocking capabilities to their application. (No, filter.ini or using admuncher do not count.) The worse offender was when a third party developer was working on a utility that would do Filterset G type blocking and the Opera developers started changing the APIs on him. I wish I could find the specific thread but this was almost five or six years ago now.

PresentIt spouted...
And how did anything spell "their end", considering that Opera's desktop user base has been more than doubling every two years?


Simple. People who came to Opera asking for features were told no. When they informed Opera that Firefox had those features, Opera told them to use Firefox. They did.

PresentIt spouted...
Opera may have invented many of the features now popular on Firefox and other browsers, but their top down approach alienated enough users that they have very little chance of recovering their former position today.

What former position? Opera never held a dominant position. In fact, Opera is stronger today than it has ever been.


Really? Then why is there such a stench of desperation about them? Why do I constantly see "Opera invented XYZ first" in any thread about Firefox on most tech sites?

PresentIt spouted...
These days Opera is to browsers what Palm is to PDAs.

Opera is the dominant mobile browser, and has 50 million desktop users. It also keeps inventing features that other browsers rip off.

And Opera 10.5 is the fastest browser out there.


LOL. Opera is only the dominant mobile browser so long as there is no competition? Sure, I'll give you that. Of course you could argue that since Opera only reflows everything from their private servers and doesn't actually render pages on the device itself it doesn't really meet the requirements to be called a web browser...

As for speed? I remember the old days when Opera really was the fastest browser on Earth. These days that's debatable. Besides it stopped being about browser start up speed a long time ago; now the key is being able to customize your browsing experience.

Guess which browser does that best? Hint: it isn't Opera...

PresentIt spouted...
Looks like you need to go back to history class, because you just flunked.


Heh. No need sonny. You see I remember it because I was there. Not my fault if webrot and a little phenomena called "the victor writes the history books" takes place and Johnny-Come-Latelys such as yourself miss it.

--bornagainpenguin

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