Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 24th Mar 2010 16:55 UTC, submitted by Joel Dahl
FreeBSD The FreeBSD team has released FreeBSD 7.3, the fourth release of the 7-STABLE branch. There will be one more release in this branch, but at this point, most developers are already working on the 8-STABLE branch. FreeBSD 7.3 focusses on bug fixes, but has a few new features as well.
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RE: I have always liked FreeBSD
by Delgarde on Wed 24th Mar 2010 23:09 UTC in reply to "I have always liked FreeBSD"
Delgarde
Member since:
2008-08-19

I honestly feel that if Solaris or FreeBSD had a similar HW support than Linux, either of them would have made a far better x86 unix for large vendors to standardize around (at least as a clear alternative to windows in the x86 market).


I don't think hardware support has much to do with it - if Linux has better hardware support than Solaris or FreeBSD, it's because people are writing drivers for it. Or more to the point, because it *has* people to write drivers for it.

Linux may have it's flaws, but it's managed to build a much, much, larger development community. Services like HAL are built on Linux, then adapted to other platforms by one or two struggling volunteers. Likewise most of the current work on open video drivers - developed on Linux, and (partially) ported to FreeBSD.

That's what it comes down to, as far as I'm concerned. Linux isn't dominant because it has better hardware support. Linux is dominant because it has all the developers.

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rhavenn Member since:
2006-05-12

Which came first? The chicken or the egg? Same scenario here. Personally, I think the parent is correct. If BSD hadn't had the legal issues it did in the early 90s it had a really good shot at becoming the dominant "free" UNIX. Linux didn't start getting heavy commercial support and recognition until 2004/5 or so and now it's got a decent marketing wave behind where even many PHBs are okay with running Linux, but turn all white and pasty when you suggest something like FreeBSD.

Linux is the kernel and FreeBSD is the kernel plus base userland and a much more unified and integrated "system", plus it hasn't splintered into a bajillion little pieces like the Linux distros have. Many argue this is a good thing, but I counter that in the end it hurts the end user. It was great when it was a relatively unknown OS and no one really cared, but now you've got companies cherry picking distros to "support" and if it isn't one you like or run then you're screwed. I think Linux would have been better served maintaining a concentric core and base system. However, it's freedom of choice and I normally choose FreeBSD.

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Linux is the kernel and FreeBSD is the kernel plus base userland and a much more unified and integrated "system", plus it hasn't splintered into a bajillion little pieces like the Linux distros have. Many argue this is a good thing, but I counter that in the end it hurts the end user.


It also works against admins as well. I don't like how Linus & co can send kernel changes downstream that can break working hardware. Contrary to popular belief Linus & co are not trying to design a kernel for server use. It's a general purpose hobby kernel to them. If their changes break your system well then too bad, go fix it. That has been their attitude while the FreeBSD developers have been more focused on providing a stable system. I also trust the port system in FreeBSD over any package manager.

Yes I know about LTS releases but that is a poor solution, especially with all the inter-dependencies that exist in Linux. Too much crap gets written on top of other crap that requires a specific kernel so companies end up staying with old software which is a security compromise.

Edited 2010-03-25 00:09 UTC

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Delgarde Member since:
2008-08-19

Which came first? The chicken or the egg? Same scenario here. Personally, I think the parent is correct. If BSD hadn't had the legal issues it did in the early 90s it had a really good shot at becoming the dominant "free" UNIX.


The parent ascribed Linux dominance to hardware support, not to legal issues. But I'd agree with you on that - those legal issues were probably decisive at the time, in holding back BSD while Linux grew.

I think Linux would have been better served maintaining a concentric core and base system.


What are you counting as the base system? Linux distros are all pretty consistent about the basic userspace software - it's all the standard GNU packages, glibc, coreutils, etc. The differences between e.g Fedora and Ubuntu are infinitesimal compared to the differences between either of them and any other Unix variant...

The differences are mostly in package management and boot/network configuration - which I'll grant you, can be a pain sometimes, but don't really hold anything back...

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tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Not being able to run an OS due to lack of support for the HW one has at hand has everything to do with it.

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marafaka Member since:
2006-01-03

tylerdurden: "Not being able to run an OS due to lack of support for the HW one has at hand has everything to do with it."

Exactly my view ... 15 years ago. Look, if you find FreeBSD appealing then plunge your shuvel and don't look back. It can be done but it's a lot of work. If not, don't worry - life is beautiful and greater than any technology.

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marafaka Member since:
2006-01-03

I agree that hardware support is not a major factor, but I can also tell you what it is: it's culture. Yes, there are struggling volunteers porting HAL, ALSA, PulseAudio, V4L, Flash etc., but they're struggling because they came from another world and don't realize that most of us have no need for that technology anyway. What was needed was already implemented by the FreeBSD and other project in superior forms.

And about domination of any operating system there's not much to say. Picture yourself a Gauss curve then meditate on who dominates who again.

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