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Legal I guess this is what some people would call "karma". Apple may shout off the rooftops that it invented multitouch, and that anyone else using it is clearly stealing it from them - but another company has taken offence to that, and has slapped the Cupertino giant with a patent infringement suit over multitouch.
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Why apple is evil
by Neolander on Thu 1st Apr 2010 08:38 UTC
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For those who ask why Apple is more evil than others.

Like google, Apple are especially dangerous because they want to control everything, which is the most basic definition of a dictatorship.

On OSX, if you want to use latest processor capabilities, you need Cocoa. If you want to use Cocoa, you need to completely re-do the UI part of your program. If you want to do that easily, you need to completely re-write your whole program in Objective C.
What is objective C ? An object-oriented variant of C, similar to C++ in its goal but with an (imo) more complex syntax and focus on OSX-specific capabilities. Basically, porting an Objective-C app on another OS is possible, but complicated. That's one of the reasons why it's not used much outside out of the apple world, along with the fact that most dev do not want to be dependent on anything Jobs says is right for his programming language.

Let's sum it up : you want to use a 64-bit processor, and you end up re-writing your whole app in a language that's only used in the Apple world. After some times, you finally get used to Objective C and can't get rid of it, so you've totally become an Apple minion.

More examples ? To develop an iPhone app without re-writing the SDK, you need a Mac and you need to use Objective C again. And just in case you would like to write a C/C++ version of the iPhone SDK, remember : your app has to be analyzed by Apple before it gets on the App store, and chances are that if they can't understand how it works, it won't be accepted.

The App Store itself is another example of Apple's philosophy of "control everything". There's nothing wrong with signed repositories as long as one does not absolutely depends on them in order to install some app. Otherwise, it's effectively a computery dictatorship.

And then there's the 40€ USB cable, the obligation of buying Apple hardware, the infamous iTunes system... Few companies get that amount of control on all their customers. It's not sane.

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RE: Why apple is evil
by Stratoukos on Thu 1st Apr 2010 11:30 in reply to "Why apple is evil"
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From the hundreds of reasons considering Apple as evil you chose "deprecating an older API"? Really?

And you don't need to rewrite your whole program in Objective-C. The logic of your application can be in C or C++. Only the parts that interact with the Cocoa Framework must be in Objective-C.

And if you don't want to do even that you can write your program in Java or use GTK+ or Qt. Or even use one of the countless bridges for other languages that are out there.

I agree with some of the other stuff you said, but saying that Apple is evil because they have their own Frameworks is ignorant at best.

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RE[2]: Why apple is evil
by nstuart on Thu 1st Apr 2010 13:37 in reply to "RE: Why apple is evil"
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Was going to say the same thing, "New at 11! Company does what it wants with it OWN PRODUCTS!! Something so evil has never been seen before!"

Seriously, if we go by these standards, KDE is far more evil in moving the KDE4 with all new APIs and very little backwards compatibility. And don't even mention MS moving from XP to Vista. Also don't forget about car companys who only put the latest fuel saving technologies in their newest model lineups! (had to have a car analogy in there somewhere)

Sorry, as above poster said new technologies is one of the dumbest reason you could state as to why Apple is evil.

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RE: Why apple is evil
by Tony Swash on Thu 1st Apr 2010 14:23 in reply to "Why apple is evil"
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Like google, Apple are especially dangerous because they want to control everything, which is the most basic definition of a dictatorship.

I repeat - if you don't like their products don't buy them and if you don't like the software system they use on their platforms then don't code for them. In no market segment is Apple a monopoly so there is always an alternative. They control much of their technology to a greater degree than many competitors but that's the basis on which they make products (that happen to be selling like hot cakes). Other (less successful) companies have alternative strategies and alternative products - if you don't like Apple's then choose one of the alternatives and stop the hysterical whining - its demeaning.

Its like going ape shit because some band makes music you don't like - just don't listen to it. The fact that the band you don't like is actually insanely popular is probably irritating but it doesn't make them evil or (what a ridiculous description) "dangerous"

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