Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 3rd Apr 2010 23:18 UTC
Apple Yeah, just in case people think we forgot: Apple launched its iPad today. It's just that since the rest of the web is pretty much clogged with iPad "news" items at this point, I don't really know what to add; who'd you rather hear from, someone who owns one, or someone like me, the small orphan child pressing his face to the glass of a candy shop full of delight he can't afford (because he lives in the wrong country)? About the only meaningful item I've seen today is Engadget's iPad review, so let's take a quick look at that one.
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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by parrotjoe on Sun 4th Apr 2010 19:06 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
parrotjoe
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2005-07-06

No, no, no, no, no, lol!!! That is the point - regular people do use things like smartphones because they have reached the point where regular people can use them. That is exactly what the iPad is.

They don't care about lock-down and all the other stuff we care about - in fact, they want all that so they won't accidentally screw things up.

We have all kinds of things we, as geeks, can work on, get into - there is no shortage. If we don't want an iPad because it contains elements we don't like or are absent, we have a million other things to attend to.

So many of you absolutely refuse to look at this from the ordinary consumer's point of view. If it's no good or unexciting to you, then it's crap. Open your minds a little bit!!

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 4th Apr 2010 20:26 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

They don't care about lock-down and all the other stuff we care about - in fact, they want all that so they won't accidentally screw things up.


I hate these stupid generalisations. As if something like "they" exists. It's the usual geek arrogance - something remarkably prevalent among Apple fans. "There there you poor incapable person, have an iPad, you're too stupid to handle the real thing!"

Trust me - people care about lockdown. When I explained to my dad - not that computer-savvy, but can handle himself - how the Apple way works (all the iTunes lock-in, total control, etc. etc.) his reaction was telling. "That's stupid... And dangerous."

These people will care about the lock-in once news articles are magically altered on their devices without them knowing about it. When contents of books is altered. When books magically disappear (see Kindle).

It is our job as the ones that are aware of this danger to point it out to them. Since people often come to me for advice about these matters (boy, what a surprise), I *always* explain to them just what Apple stands for. I'll tell them Apple products belong to the very top of the market, but that it comes with a price - and geeks or no, they understand full well the dangers that come with Apple's total control.

I'm getting sick of this "users are stupid, they need protecting!" attitude. It is incredibly arrogant and snobist. I hate most geeks for it with a passion. It's no wonder I steer clear of geeks in real life. The arrogance and disdain for other people's capabilities is sickening.

Edited 2010-04-04 20:29 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by strcpy on Sun 4th Apr 2010 21:37 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
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2009-05-20


I'm getting sick of this "users are stupid, they need protecting!" attitude. It is incredibly arrogant and snobist. I hate most geeks for it with a passion. It's no wonder I steer clear of geeks in real life. The arrogance and disdain for other people's capabilities is sickening.


You got it wrong.

Once upon time there was a vision that users should learn and educate themselves about computers. (And they still do, of course.) But the recent "usability" aims to dumb down computers to specific-purpose, locked-down, single-purpose gadgets. At the same time the web is turning to an interactive consumer-driven television.

Being part of the general trend, these tablets will just widen the gap between those who understand the technology and those who only consume it. It tells something that increasing the amount of the former group is the aim of practically every country, yet people here celebrate the opposite trend.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by Ripples on Mon 5th Apr 2010 01:51 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
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2005-07-06

While I agree that the content you buy being "magically altered" later is a terrible thing, I dont see the lockdown of the iPad being something that is terrible because of the whole "users are stupid" thing. The iPad doesn't need to run all OS X apps, it should run apps designed for the iPad. This is not a general purpose computer, it is a tablet. So I appreciate some lockdown that adds to the experience.

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