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Linux "To be clear about this article's intent, it's not to bash Microsoft, or Windows. Because to be fair, despite using Linux 95% of the time while I'm on the PC, I can find more faults with it than Windows. So, this article's goal is to highlight some of the major pluses of Linux, and also showcase where Windows could improve in the future, should Microsoft take heed of the suggestions."
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RE[2]: Comment by tuma324
by SlackerJack on Fri 9th Apr 2010 13:14 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by tuma324"
SlackerJack
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2005-11-12

I'm pretty sure if you install a five year old distro, you'll revoke that point about sound in Linux. I've never seen the sound preferences UI look so good and work so well and to me it looks very comparable to the one in Windows 7..

Gaming? Well, Until a Linux distro gets big market share then you cannot compare, since game developers will always make games for the most used system or the most profitable one. Most game developers seem to primary develop for consoles now days and gaming on Windows is at an all time low thanks to pirating.

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RE[3]: Comment by tuma324
by vivainio on Fri 9th Apr 2010 13:31 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by tuma324"
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2008-12-26

I'm pretty sure if you install a five year old distro, you'll revoke that point about sound in Linux.


5 year ago we had Warty and Hoary. Audio worked like a charm with Alsa.

Pulseaudio should work just fine as long as everyone buys into it (yes, this includes KDE). In windows, fighting over audio subsystem (not everyone likes pa) is unnecessary because there is just one.

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RE[4]: Comment by tuma324
by danieldk on Fri 9th Apr 2010 14:43 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by tuma324"
danieldk Member since:
2005-11-18

"I'm pretty sure if you install a five year old distro, you'll revoke that point about sound in Linux.


5 year ago we had Warty and Hoary. Audio worked like a charm with Alsa.
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Well, except if you want to do stuff that becomes more commonplace these days. For instance, for streaming audio from one device to another is hell with OSS or ALSA, but something that PulseAudio promises to make far easier. I am streaming audio from one machine (Mac Mini/MacBook) to another (Apple TV) very frequently, and it is really convenient. Note: this is not the same thing as streaming mp3 or ogg.

Pulse was quite problematic, partly because it was introduced in some distributions to soon or it was not properly integrated. But I think that in the end it will improve audio in Linux.

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RE[4]: Comment by tuma324
by ssokolow on Fri 9th Apr 2010 15:24 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by tuma324"
ssokolow Member since:
2010-01-21

I disagree. The real problem (and I have personal experience with this) is that ALSA is an under-documented, over-engineered, fragile API and PulseAudio is a buggy, fragile wrapper.

Audio will continue to be broken on Linux until the developers get over their "Let the distro packagers configure it and any users who change the defaults deserve what they get" attitude.

It doesn't help that, because ALSA is buggy and fragile, some applications add their own workarounds which force-ignore dmix/pulse/etc. resulting in crazy ALSA hacks by people like the Ubuntu devs which force-select dmix/pulse/etc. in a vicious, untenable cycle.

KDE devs don't "buy into" broken technology (that's why there's so much duplication between KDE and GNOME. GNOME won't use C++/Qt components and KDE didn't wait for GNOME to get their act together on things like GnomeVFS) but if you can hammer PulseAudio into shape, Phonon will "Just Work™" on top of it.

For that matter, Phonon was originally written as a way to ensure a stable API for GStreamer for the entire KDE 4 lifecycle. Several GST devs promptly threw a tantrum.

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RE[4]: Comment by tuma324
by boldingd on Mon 12th Apr 2010 19:49 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by tuma324"
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2009-02-19

ALSA never "just worked" for me. As I've said in other threads, I've yet to see DMIX actually work at all, and without it, you won't be able to play sounds from multiple software sources.

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