Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 10th Apr 2010 08:57 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y "Apple's current - and in our opinion, objectionable - position is now close to the complete opposite of its initial stance. From promoting openness and standards, the company is now pushing for an ever more locked-down and restricted platform. It's bad for competition, it's bad for developers, and it's bad for consumers. I hope that there will be enough of a backlash that the company is forced to reconsider, but with the draw of all those millions of iPhone (and now, iPad) customers, I fear that Apple's developers will, perhaps with some reluctance, just accept the restriction and do whatever Cupertino demands."
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I applaud Apple's move.
by LeifK on Sat 10th Apr 2010 18:10 UTC
LeifK
Member since:
2010-04-10

It's conspicuous that in all this endless moaning and wailing and bellyaching about Apple's "tyranny" that in the dozens of articles I've read on this story and several hundred comments I've skimmed, no one has yet been able to tell me one important thing:

How does this hurt iPhone/iPad consumers?

The simple fact is that it doesn't.

And that explains all the ridiculous, over-the-top, bellyaching and use of theatrical terms such as "draconian."

This decision is clearly a good thing for Apple's established developers and it is a clearly a good thing for owners of the iPhone and iPad. Allowing Flash would be detrimental to most iPhone and iPad users and developers.

If that wasn't the case, there'd be no need for throwing around silly terms like "draconian" and making vague, fuzzy comments about "freedom."

Edited 2010-04-10 18:11 UTC

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RE: I applaud Apple's move.
by mutantsushi on Sat 10th Apr 2010 18:41 in reply to "I applaud Apple's move."
mutantsushi Member since:
2006-08-18

"How does this hurt iPhone/iPad consumers?
The simple fact is that it doesn't. "


BS. A huge percentage of the current games offered on the AppStore, including the most popular and high quality ones, use 3rd party frameworks/ alternate language bindings. Many more apps are written with MonoTouch, Wax (Lua), or other language bindings to Cocoa. ALTERNATE LANGUAGES DO NOT EQUAL CROSS PLATFORM FRAMEWORKS. This is reducing customers choice of what apps they can have. Period. I say bring on the competition/anti-trust hammer to break the App Store lock-in and restrictive developer agreements.

Edited 2010-04-10 18:42 UTC

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JonathanBThompson Member since:
2006-05-26

Right, because Apple has a monopoly, legal or otherwise, on cell phone software and cell phones!

Wait, they don't: they have their own store, with their own rules of what goes in or not, and it's setup in a way to their desire. One way to think of it as Apple is treating it like an all-organic health food store that's also politically-correct in taking fair-trade goods that are organic only: you can sell whatever you want, but the only things that will be sold at that health food store must meet certain criteria, and if you don't like it as a supplier or a buyer, well, there are other stores!

There's always Windows Mobile (before Windows Phone 7, which isn't out yet), Symbian, Android, Blackberry, Palm's WebOS, and quite a few others: Apple only has a small piece of the pie, and is not yet a monopoly even of the high-end smartphone hardware and software; competition is still clearly sufficiently healthy that, at this time, no government that's not out on a witch hunt would bother with antitrust proceedings. For all we know, market forces will punish Apple for their actions by widely adopting Android: a platform is only as useful as developers choose to make it, which then developers who want to make a living go for platforms where the customers want it and will pay for it, and customers go for... whatever customers go for, which may intentionally being the more technically-limited system, for whatever reason.

So, like it and buy in, or lump it and buy something else: nothing is stopping you or anyone else from developing for other systems, or buying other systems and their software, so you can still vote with your wallet.

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RE: I applaud Apple's move.
by nt_jerkface on Sun 11th Apr 2010 00:49 in reply to "I applaud Apple's move."
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

It's conspicuous that in all this endless moaning and wailing and bellyaching about Apple's "tyranny" that in the dozens of articles I've read on this story and several hundred comments I've skimmed, no one has yet been able to tell me one important thing:

How does this hurt iPhone/iPad consumers?


I like how you were modded down even though your opinion was no less subjective than any other opinion here.

Most developers and iphone use could care less about this news. The iphone platform attracts plenty of developers and customers and Apple has the marketshare to push a single language if they feel like it. It's just a phone people, if you don't like their terms then buy from a competitor.

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RE: I applaud Apple's move.
by BallmerKnowsBest on Sun 11th Apr 2010 13:53 in reply to "I applaud Apple's move."
BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

How does this hurt iPhone/iPad consumers?

The simple fact is that it doesn't.

And that explains all the ridiculous, over-the-top, bellyaching and use of theatrical terms such as "draconian."


What? Your explanation seems to be missing the explaining part.

This decision is clearly a good thing for Apple's established developers


Yes, in the exact same that protectionism is a good thing for established companies in protectionist countries.

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