Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 13th Apr 2010 16:55 UTC
Apple "After an unusually long wait, Apple has finally released updated models of its MacBook Pro line of notebooks. The 15" and 17" models offer the latest Core i5 and i7 processors, though the 13" model still uses a Core 2 Duo processor. But new processors aren't the only improvement; Apple has also seen fit to increase the base RAM configuration to 4GB on all models and bump the hard drive and SSD options. And Apple claims battery life has been improved, with some models now going as long as 10 hours without plugging in."
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RE: Disappointing
by computeruser on Tue 13th Apr 2010 18:39 UTC in reply to "Disappointing"
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2009-07-21

The 13" MacBook Pro was introduced last summer. Even before today, Apple didn't offer the fastest Core 2 Duo CPUs that they offered on the 15"/17" models - the 13" only uses the 25W TDP P-series CPUs, whereas the bigger models are offered with the faster 35W TDP CPUs.

Intel has 18W TDP i5/i7 at 1.07-1.20 GHz; these are probably too slow for Apple to consider. There are 25W TDP i7 CPUs at 2.00-2.13 GHz, but these might also be too slow for Apple to consider for the 13" model. And since these CPUs have integrated GPUs, they would need to add on an extra GPU. (Since they specifically upgraded the 13" MBP's GPU to one with three times the number of shaders, I'm guessing they don't want to put exclusively Intel integrated in the 13" MBP.)

I have a 13" MBP and like it quite a bit. It's about the same weight as a standard 14" Latitude, HP Compaq, and ThinkPad business notebooks, but comes with much better battery life. (Yes, you can get bigger/extra batteries for these laptops, but they add to the weight and often the size.) It also comes with a better GPU than the Intel integrated offered as standard in 14" business notebooks. (When 14" business notebooks are often offered with more powerful GPUs, they usually have reduced battery life over the integrated graphics version.)

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RE[2]: Disappointing
by AdamW on Tue 13th Apr 2010 18:41 in reply to "RE: Disappointing"
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2005-07-06

"There are 25W TDP i7 CPUs at 2.00-2.13 GHz, but these might also be too slow for Apple to consider for the 13" model."

That doesn't make a lot of sense. Those processors would out-perform the 2.4-2.66GHz C2D CPUs they *did* use.

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RE[3]: Disappointing
by computeruser on Tue 13th Apr 2010 18:54 in reply to "RE[2]: Disappointing"
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2009-07-21

Marketing might be involved. The 13" MacBook has a 2.26 GHz Core 2 Duo. Apple probably wouldn't sell a whole lot of 13" MBPs if they had a CPU with less MHz than the regular MacBook.

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RE[3]: Disappointing
by arpan on Wed 14th Apr 2010 16:57 in reply to "RE[2]: Disappointing"
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2006-07-30

I believe the point is that the processor might be a bit faster, but you would not be able to use the nvidia graphics with core i3,i5,i7 processors. Then you would be stuck with only Intel Integrated graphics, since the 13" does not have the space for a dedicated GPU.

So, the tradeoff would be a processor which is a little faster, but a GPU that is a lot, lot slower. Since Apple is using the GPU more and more in Snow Leopard, they probably want a decent GPU in their computers.

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RE[2]: Disappointing
by AdamW on Tue 13th Apr 2010 18:45 in reply to "RE: Disappointing"
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2005-07-06

oh, and as noted in a useful anandtech comment thread:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2902/3

it's not entirely simple to make straight TDP comparisons from the Core 2 to Core i generations, as the i processor packages incorporate functionality that was separate in the 2 series.

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