Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 13th Apr 2010 17:31 UTC, submitted by ebasconp
Opera Software Since the announcement from Opera about submitting Opera Mini to the App Store made it to the front page, I can't really relegate the application's admittance into the App Store to the side column - I'm not particularly liked by the Apple fans as it is. So, here it goes, full frontal: Apple has accepted Opera Mini into the App Store.
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RE[2]: Comment by kittynipples
by mrhasbean on Tue 13th Apr 2010 22:55 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by kittynipples"
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lets all be honest and stop acting like an extended apple PR machine. Apple is a control freak and want absolute control over the runtime environment. Flash is banned primarily because it is a runtime environment apple cant control, the changes in SDK were made to stop people from depending on API apple doesnt control.

Flash has performance issue and flash spins can easily be made .. the SDK one just isnt supported by logic and your fails miserably.

And lets also be honest and stop bashing for the sake of bashing by understanding that this is, and always has been Apple's model - tight control over the user experience - and it has served them well. While they don't have the biggest market share they certainly have extremely loyal followers and consistently high approval ratings, and they have achieved that through UI consistency. This has been the way with MacOS so why should they change their model for the iDevices because "you + a few" want them to?

That logic and argument are very sound when you look at it from the perspective of Apple's business model. I regularly see people labelled as Apple Zealots or Fanboys and talk about the RDF created by Jobs just because people have a positive view of Apple, but if you stand back and look at Apple logically as a corporation, taking away your pre-conceived notions and ingrained hatred of them (in other words your own RDF), you'll see that they consistently follow a pattern that has made them one of the most recognised brands in the world with over 30 billion in the bank and a very loyal customer base. The majority of users use Apple stuff because they want to, not because they have no other choice, unlike other competing products. And you don't have to like that pattern, it's a free world (for the moment) and nobody's forcing you to use their products.

But for them it's not a bad position to be in, so what makes you think they should or would change it because a few geeks don't like it?

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yes, apple has a tight control over their products and it has served them well, i see no reason why they should change and i do not see how you though this is what i was saying. My complain is not with apple's business model, my complain is with apple follower's willingness to act like a a free extension of apple PR arm.

If you think apple like tight control and you are happy with it, why not simply say so?

Apple doesnt like flash. The reason given initially for why it was not allowed was because it was a memory hog and apple fanboy took this explanation and run with it. Adobe made flash compile to native code and the problem now with flash is with its cross platform nature and the fanboys are running with this explanation too. Why not just say "its a runtime control issue"? why can debate what purpose this control serves but we can atleast agree it is primarily a control issue and all other explanation are spins.

I do not have an ingrained hatred of apple..every company has a PR arm, apple's arm seem to extend to their customers and i was drawing attention to this extension, why you though i was attacking apple and its successful business model is beyond me.

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