Linked by Rahul on Wed 14th Apr 2010 11:54 UTC
Fedora Core The Beta release of Fedora 13 (codename "Goddard") blasts off today, true to its namesake, scientist and liquid-fueled rocketry pioneer Robert Hutchings Goddard. The Fedora 13 Beta release gives an early peek at free and open source technologies that reach new heights of functionality and usability. The Beta milestone is when the Fedora Project encourages users, developers, and administrators of all types to download and try out the release early. While generally the Beta is reasonably stable, this is the time for users to exercise their favorite parts of the system and report any lingering bugs before the final release.
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RE[2]: What's the point?
by farfromhome on Wed 14th Apr 2010 23:17 UTC in reply to "RE: What's the point?"
farfromhome
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2007-02-19

AFAIK, the only reason that Fedora isn't on the FSF-approved list is because of some non-Free firmware in the kernel. If you don't have the hardware that uses it, you are running 100% Free software unless you go to the trouble of adding the non-Free section of RPMFusion or some other random repository. Keep up the great work on that front!

That said, where I agree with the grandparent post is that Fedora is trying a bit hard for Aunt Tilly now, or perhaps more likely Server-Room Steve. There was talk in the IRC channels and especially the mailing lists about slowing down, or even stopping the rate of updates in the released versions other than pure security fixes. Which means being out-of-date for most of the life of the distro, just like Ubuntu.

The only other major cutting-edge distros I know of are Gentoo and Arch, and the former is too much of a pain, while the latter leans a bit too much towards the simplistic, and has too small repositories (minus the AUR, which leads back to Gentoo's problem...). So if Fedora slows down too much, then there will be no more major distros left that are truly cutting-edge, yet a pleasure to use.

Please keep up Fedora's bleeding-edge focus, and don't cater to the stability-seekers that could just as easily use one of the many stability-focused distros!

(Alternatively, Fedora could make a strong effort to make Rawhide usable on a day-to-day basis without slowing its rate of progress down, but I suspect that would be tougher than just maintaining the rate of updates on the two supported released versions.)

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RE[3]: What's the point?
by Rahul on Wed 14th Apr 2010 23:43 in reply to "RE[2]: What's the point?"
Rahul Member since:
2005-07-06

Correct. Other than firmware, Fedora is completely FSF-free and Fedora is very very keen on not compromising on the FOSS ideals. This goes beyond simple shipping free software but also large amounts of upstream focussed development and running free software exclusively on Fedora's own infrastructure In fact, Fedora guidelines are the basis of FSF's own guidelines for distributions and was born out of my discussions with RMS and FSF on this topic.

http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html
http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html

It should be noted that "bleeding edge" was never a mandate for Fedora. The current target audience is defined at

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base

Yes, there are discussions around having a more strict policy for critical packages and limiting them in some ways. For more details, refer to

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Stable_release_updates_vision

The implementation details are still being worked out

https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/351

There is unlikely to be a strict "security fixes" only policy however for ALL packages. There are currently two different levels:

Critical path : Stuff that gets your system up and running and regressions in these are very problematic. Hence a more strict policy for them.

The Rest: A more loosely defined policy for them

This is going to be complimented with a lot of automated tests to catch common issues like broken dependencies or bad obsoletes in all the builds to ensure higher quality.

To meet the needs of users who prefer even more cutting edge updates, a system of add-on repositories is under discussion

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Copr

As you rightly pointed out, having a more stable Rawhide so as to speak is also useful. Some progress has been made on that already. One prominent and fairly recent change is

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_Frozen_Rawhide_Proposal

Essentially, Rawhide is now a permanent development branch (already moving towards Fedora 14 now) and Fedora 13 is it's own branch, treated more like a general release at this point. This leaves room for parallel fast development as well as stabilization for the next release.

Having said all that, if you have concerns, please do provide feedback via

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Nothing is set in stone and feedback is always very welcome.

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