Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 19th Apr 2010 13:10 UTC
Linux We all know Synaptics, the company that seems to produce just about every touchpad you can get your hands fingers on. Their touchpads also do a lot of multitouch and gesture stuff, but up until now, their set of gestures, the Synaptics Gesture Suite, was only available on Windows. Luckily, they've ported it over to Linux, and made it available for OEMs building Linux laptops.
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RE[2]: Comment by spinnekopje
by siride on Tue 20th Apr 2010 13:36 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by spinnekopje"
siride
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2006-01-02

Having to spend a little bit of time downloading a few drivers is considerably different from having non-working or partially-working drivers that you have to tweak and play with to (hopefully) get your device to function at some percent of its Windows capacity. That process will take quite a bit longer than on Windows and you still may not get it working in the end.

And by the way, I don't know about other vendors, but Lenovo has all the drivers available on a single page on their site. You download them all, run each one and your done. That's pretty easy.

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RE[3]: Comment by spinnekopje
by spiderman on Tue 20th Apr 2010 13:45 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by spinnekopje"
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2008-10-23

Try installing Vista on Qemu. I did it once. It required deep hacking at the time. I don't know if that has improved since then but the point stands. If your hardware is not supported by your OS, you will have to hack. You will have to hack on Linux and you will have to hack on Windows. Really, it is just a matter of choosing your components. If you want to run Windows, don't buy an ARM computer. If you want to run Linux, don't buy an Atheros card.

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RE[4]: Comment by spinnekopje
by siride on Tue 20th Apr 2010 13:49 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by spinnekopje"
siride Member since:
2006-01-02

Okay, you're installing Vista on Qemu, so of course it's going to be difficult. It's hardly an indictment against Vista (other things are, of course).

But the fact of the matter is, your hardware WILL be supported on Windows, because all consumer hardware is meant to work with Windows at the very least. Maybe right after a Windows release you might have to wait. Big deal. On Linux you can wait for years and still not get full support (see: graphics drivers). And generally speaking, you do NOT have to hack around to get things working on Windows. The vendors have already done that for you. I know you can pull up this anecdote or that special case, but the general reality is that things do Just Work on Windows and that's how it is for 99% of the users out there.

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RE[4]: Comment by spinnekopje
by abraxas on Sat 24th Apr 2010 11:09 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by spinnekopje"
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2005-07-07

If you want to run Linux, don't buy an Atheros card.


Why is that? Madwifi just worked back in the day and ath5k finally works just as well for me since kernel 2.6.31-32.

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RE[3]: Comment by spinnekopje
by Laurence on Tue 20th Apr 2010 14:30 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by spinnekopje"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Having to spend a little bit of time downloading a few drivers is considerably different from having non-working or partially-working drivers that you have to tweak and play with to (hopefully) get your device to function at some percent of its Windows capacity.

But my point is Linux is already equivelent to Windows in most repects without having to download drivers.

but you're still missing the point that it's only a small percentage of hardware that require hacking about.



And by the way, I don't know about other vendors, but Lenovo has all the drivers available on a single page on their site. You download them all, run each one and your done. That's pretty easy.


That's good, aside the fact (and as I'd already explained) that you still have countless reboots between driver installs as you can't install everything in one job lot - thus significantly increasing installation time.



Don't get me wrong, I'm not out to say that Linux is better than Windows. I'm just stating that this myth about Linux not support hardware is just that, a myth. Sure, Linux isn't without it's hardware troubles, but then no OS supports all hardware (not even Windows) and the hardware Linux does support (which is the vast majority of available hardware) it generally supports without additional user downloads and pratting about.

I know personal experience is purely anecdotal, but I honestly think that over the years I've spent an equal amount of time setting up Windows systems with it's driver models as I have Linux systems with missing drivers. And that's without me going out of my way to buy "Linux compatible" hardware.

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RE[4]: Comment by spinnekopje
by siride on Tue 20th Apr 2010 14:51 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by spinnekopje"
siride Member since:
2006-01-02

I'm sorry, you're still failing the see the fundamental and significant difference between having to download a few EXEs and install them, and having to tweak config files, apply patches, download experimental versions of software and potentially still not getting your hardware to work. If you can't see the difference, then no wonder Linux is failing on the desktop.

I'm sorry, downloading EXEs and installing them is not "hacking around".

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