Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 21st Apr 2010 23:01 UTC
Linux The tools used to boot Linux are changing. Specifically, the Grand Unified Bootloader is now officially in maintenance mode only, and GRUB's developers have abandoned the original GRUB in favor of an entirely rewritten package, known as GRUB 2. Discover GRUB 2's new capabilities and how to use it.
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RE: Vent
by looncraz on Thu 22nd Apr 2010 02:58 UTC in reply to "Vent"
looncraz
Member since:
2005-07-24

Agreed!

Grub2 has been a major PITA! I can't even install newer versions of Ubuntu on most any machine anymore.

Grub2 may have more potential, but let us realize that potential before we use it wide-spread.

I, too, find it outright idiotic to edit ten different files to do what once only required editing one file. I finally, after HOURS of trying, managed to even get Grub2 to update properly enough to get an image to display instead of the ugly default look.

I'm sure the hassles will improve with time, but that should have been a priority prior to release.

People in the Linux community need to try and make things easy for those outside of the community to join and be proficient. That is what made BeOS so great. With BeOS, everything was clean and simple and worked as you thought it should work from reading a couple lines of a description.

It would also be nice if Linux installers would show all available OSes and permit configuring ( graphically ) the boot loader for the next boot. It shouldn't take hours of studying by a well-experienced computer tech to figure out how to change the order of operating systems and add a background.

Of course, on Ubuntu, I figured out that I had to 'sudo apt-get install grub2' which was counter-intuitive, considering grub2 was installed by default ( but apparently not the utilities... ).

On a related note, that makes me wonder why so few ( any? ) Linux distributions allow customizing the installation.

Ubuntu's installer could simply ask where you were to determine most everything they ask at the start of the installation.

And why do I have to select Monterrey, Mexico when I'm in Texas? That makes no sense to me ( yes, I know the actual reason, but it should be hidden from the user ).

Oh well, nothing is perfect...

--The loon

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RE[2]: Vent
by ricegf on Thu 22nd Apr 2010 13:54 in reply to "RE: Vent"
ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

@The loon: Ubuntu's installer could simply ask where you were to determine most everything they ask at the start of the installation.

Perhaps, but Ubuntu asks *far* fewer questions than Win 7 during installation. Ubuntu also has the courtesy to ask all of its questions up front and then complete installation unattended, rather than ask a few questions, install a bit, reboot, lather, rinse, repeat. And it leaves you with most common apps pre-installed, rather than almost naked like the competition.

I compared the two in more detail at http://ricegf.posterous.com/installing-your-own-os-whos-easy. Ubuntu isn't perfect (I live in east Texas but have to choose Chicago for time zone?!?), but it's not bad. Improvements are always appreciated, of course. :-)

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RE[2]: Vent
by Ensue85A on Thu 22nd Apr 2010 19:13 in reply to "RE: Vent"
Ensue85A Member since:
2009-07-10

Maybe we need to drop grub altogether in favor of the BeOS boot menu....I've wanted to do that for years.

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