Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 26th Apr 2010 18:38 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems Invented by IBM, the death knell sounded by Apple. Sony has announced it is going to cease selling diskettes altogether, with the last bastion being Japan. Sales will be ceased there too, even though Sony still managed to sell 12 million of them there last year. While Memorex and Imation still produce and sell diskettes, this move by Sony surely means it won't take long for the rest of the market to vanish, too.
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Perfect size...
by sergio on Mon 26th Apr 2010 19:43 UTC
sergio
Member since:
2005-07-06

CDs are too big and pen-drives are too small, 3.5 floppies are perfect... and they last forever!

It's funny, I can use my 20+ years old AMIGA floppies without problem... but my 5 year old DVD-Rs are unreadable. Writable optical media sucks, I've lost tons of data with CD-R and DVD-R. 3.5 floppies aged really well.

PS: OTOH 5.25 floppies were unreliable sh*t. I hate them so much.

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RE: Perfect size...
by umccullough on Mon 26th Apr 2010 19:54 in reply to "Perfect size..."
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

3.5 floppies are perfect... and they last forever!


Correction: They used to last forever.

At some point in the last 10 years, it seems 3.5" floppy disk quality dropped to less than dismal. These days, I'm lucky if I can get a floppy disk to last two weeks after writing some files to it. I know it didn't use to be like that, but it seems like it is now.

And yet, I can pull disks out of a box from 10 years ago and read them just fine!

Maybe the drives just aren't writing the bits hard enough any more ;)

Update: BTW, same with CD-R - I've got a ton of Kodak "gold" CD-R from the late-90s that are still readable.

Edited 2010-04-26 19:57 UTC

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RE[2]: Perfect size...
by Doc Pain on Tue 27th Apr 2010 03:34 in reply to "RE: Perfect size..."
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"3.5 floppies are perfect... and they last forever!


Correction: They used to last forever.
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I still have to use 5,25" floppies for museal purposes - use, not just show them. Most of them are older than 20 years and still work perfectly - in the computers they are intended for, also 20 years and older, still in perfect and working condition, like the robotron A5120 I recently got with a bunch of 5,25" floppies, taken out of service in 1989.

For the form factor, I think 3,5" disks and CF cards (and MiniDiscs, if you still now them) are ideal - not to big (as CDs and DVDs and their successors), not to small (as USB pen drives or SD cards). Sadly, MiniDiscs haven't prevailed for purposes we have to use CDs or DVDs today.

At some point in the last 10 years, it seems 3.5" floppy disk quality dropped to less than dismal. These days, I'm lucky if I can get a floppy disk to last two weeks after writing some files to it. I know it didn't use to be like that, but it seems like it is now.


I still have to use 3,5" floppies in very few places, and today's products seem like "use once, throw away" disks. After some short time of use, errors apeear, and using fdformat on the disks doesn't "repair" them, but shows more and more errors if you continue formatting them.

Finally, I'm glad that disks are not in use anymore, but the alternatives aren't so much better as advertisement wants us to believe.

And yet, I can pull disks out of a box from 10 years ago and read them just fine!


Same here, too. Even 20 years old disk work - but finally, it's a matter of how you store them.

Update: BTW, same with CD-R - I've got a ton of Kodak "gold" CD-R from the late-90s that are still readable.


I often say, with a bit of truth in it: "The older hardware is, the longer it lasts." For example, old 16x CD-ROM drives seem to be much more error tolerant than today's modern high-speed DVD drives. Hard disks, in use since 1995, often still work flawlessly today, while you already plan to substitute a hard disk in 6 or 12 months if you buy it today.

Just try to image if CDs, burned today, stored without any packaging (just like disks) can be read in 10 or 20 years. :-)

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RE: Perfect size...
by leech on Mon 26th Apr 2010 19:55 in reply to "Perfect size..."
leech Member since:
2006-01-10

Yeah, I was just thinking, "Crap, where am I going to get floppies for my Amiga 4000?" Then again, I have always had bad luck with floppy drives, and disks becoming bricks, but for some reason... only PC floppy disks. The Amiga and Atari STs I have still work.

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RE: Perfect size...
by righard on Mon 26th Apr 2010 19:56 in reply to "Perfect size..."
righard Member since:
2007-12-26

Last forever? In my experience it was the exact opposite. Mine even got bad sectors when I looked at them in a wrong way.

Do miss the noise they made though

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RE[2]: Perfect size...
by WereCatf on Mon 26th Apr 2010 20:02 in reply to "RE: Perfect size..."
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

While I still used floppies heavily I noticed there was a huge quality difference between manufacturers; with some manufacturers the floppies would go bad in 2 weeks, and with some manufacturers the floppies would last for 10 years straight. After a while I had learned which brands to trust and only bought those. I suppose the disks would STILL work if I still had them and a working floppy drive! ;)

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RE: Perfect size...
by Zbigniew on Mon 26th Apr 2010 23:53 in reply to "Perfect size..."
Zbigniew Member since:
2008-08-28

CDs are too big and pen-drives are too small, 3.5 floppies are perfect... and they last forever!

It's funny, I can use my 20+ years old AMIGA floppies without problem... [..]
PS: OTOH 5.25 floppies were unreliable sh*t. I hate them so much.


I've got quite different experiences: my floppies for Commodore 64 (the oldest ones from 1985) are still readable, while 3,5" diskettes I've found as unreliable. Not sure, maybe DD 3,5" (you mention "Amiga floppies") were a bit better, but not HD ones. The exception again are 5,25" ones... my 200 diskettes 5,25" HD from 1990-95 are still readable.

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RE: Perfect size...
by nt_jerkface on Tue 27th Apr 2010 00:35 in reply to "Perfect size..."
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

CDs are too big and pen-drives are too small, 3.5 floppies are perfect... and they last forever!

So duct tape a pen drive to a floppy.


Writable optical media sucks, I've lost tons of data with CD-R and DVD-R.

Well now you know why there's still a tape drive market.

Blu-ray is supposed to be better in this area though.
http://www.delkin.com/products/archivalgold/archival-blue-ray-delki...

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RE: Perfect size...
by Gone fishing on Tue 27th Apr 2010 05:23 in reply to "Perfect size..."
Gone fishing Member since:
2006-02-22

My experience is that 5 1/4" disks lasted for ever but 3 1/2" you'd be luck to get 2 writes out of them. Gosh makes me feel nostalgic for the day when Norton was actually useful.

I find that although flash drives are vastly superior to floppies, students are still adapt at loosing their coursework etc.

"We have a file server why have you carefully avoided using it?".....sometime it makes you want to weep

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