Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 30th Apr 2010 21:40 UTC, submitted by Helge
Legal Well, this certainly explains a whole lot. Both Apple and Microsoft have stated that the legality of Theora is highly debatable, and as it turns out, they knew more than we do - most likely courtesy of their close involvement with the MPEG-LA. Responding to an email from Free Software Foundation Europe activist Hugo Roy, Steve Jobs has stated that a patent pool is being assembled to go after Theora. Update: Monty Montgomery of Xiph (Ogg and Theora's parent organisation) has responded on Slashdot: "If Jobs's email is genuine, this is a powerful public gaffe ('All video codecs are covered by patents'). He'd be confirming MPEG's assertion in plain language anyone can understand. It would only strengthen the pushback against software patents and add to Apple's increasing PR mess. Macbooks and iPads may be pretty sweet, but creative individuals don't really like to give their business to jackbooted thugs."
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Flash for Future?
by churlish_Helmut on Fri 30th Apr 2010 22:00 UTC
churlish_Helmut
Member since:
2010-04-12

That sound not good. We will definitly see what is there in the bush, but until then we should stay where we are...

To summarize: There is no future for Theora... ?

Flash oder H264 ? Or could i say pest or cholera?

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RE: Flash for Future?
by bhtooefr on Fri 30th Apr 2010 23:31 in reply to "Flash for Future?"
bhtooefr Member since:
2009-02-19

Flash video nowadays *IS* H.264.

You could always fall back to VP6, but the quality there isn't good for the bitrate.

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RE[2]: Flash for Future?
by segedunum on Sat 1st May 2010 01:56 in reply to "RE: Flash for Future?"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Flash video nowadays *IS* H.264.

I wish people would stop repeating this. The format that arrives at your computer is Flash and not h.264 - regardless of what it was encoded in before. It has no relevance to HTML5 video and its support whatsoever.

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RE: Flash for Future?
by Carewolf on Fri 30th Apr 2010 23:43 in reply to "Flash for Future?"
Carewolf Member since:
2005-09-08

Effective FUD. Jobs was deliberately vague. Don't count on any actual legal action ever being taking. If these empty threats work, it wouldn't be needed.

The real question is why this sudden aggression? Are Apple really that scared of Theora that they need to ask for help from their friends in the Evil League of Evil?

Edited 2010-04-30 23:44 UTC

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RE[2]: Flash for Future?
by Tuishimi on Sat 1st May 2010 08:09 in reply to "RE: Flash for Future?"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

[edit] Nevermind... link is dead.

Edited 2010-05-01 08:14 UTC

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RE: Flash for Future?
by segedunum on Sat 1st May 2010 01:53 in reply to "Flash for Future?"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

To summarize: There is no future for Theora... ?

It has nothing to do with Theora and everything about what format Google chooses to use for YouTube, which could well be VP8. By talking about Theora he is implicating VP8 and then YouTube and Google and trying to bully them into using Apple's chosen format now that they have burned all their bridges with Adobe.

It is highly unlikely to be successful. After Google's run-ins with Apple and Apple pissing Adobe off Google have every reason in the world to make Apple's cool products even more incompatible with the content people actually want to access with them.

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RE[2]: Flash for Future?
by boldingd on Mon 3rd May 2010 18:08 in reply to "RE: Flash for Future?"
boldingd Member since:
2009-02-19

+1 insightful, I hadn't thought of it that way. Hopefully you're right. And if Google is the intended target, hopefully they'll see this for the completely baseless F.U.D. that it is, and disregard it completely. ;)

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RE: Flash for Future?
by phoudoin on Sat 1st May 2010 02:23 in reply to "Flash for Future?"
phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

They're no future for Theora (or Dirac, for that matter) only if you're too afraid to raise your finger to patent system and, more pratical, simply download and install Theora codec on your machine, whatever your OS is. It's free, it's available both decoder and encoder and I'll bet nothing could stop its diffusion.

Now, if you're afraid at first FUD attempt, the issue is not patent holders but your fear.

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