Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 30th Apr 2010 21:40 UTC, submitted by Helge
Legal Well, this certainly explains a whole lot. Both Apple and Microsoft have stated that the legality of Theora is highly debatable, and as it turns out, they knew more than we do - most likely courtesy of their close involvement with the MPEG-LA. Responding to an email from Free Software Foundation Europe activist Hugo Roy, Steve Jobs has stated that a patent pool is being assembled to go after Theora. Update: Monty Montgomery of Xiph (Ogg and Theora's parent organisation) has responded on Slashdot: "If Jobs's email is genuine, this is a powerful public gaffe ('All video codecs are covered by patents'). He'd be confirming MPEG's assertion in plain language anyone can understand. It would only strengthen the pushback against software patents and add to Apple's increasing PR mess. Macbooks and iPads may be pretty sweet, but creative individuals don't really like to give their business to jackbooted thugs."
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Which patents?
by ShadesFox on Fri 30th Apr 2010 22:15 UTC
ShadesFox
Member since:
2006-10-01

It is all just crap until they say which patents and where Theora infringes. Show us the code SCO, show us the code.

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RE: Which patents?
by WorknMan on Fri 30th Apr 2010 22:27 in reply to "Which patents?"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

It is all just crap until they say which patents and where Theora infringes. Show us the code SCO, show us the code.


I think when it comes to patents, there should be some kind of law that, if you're going to threaten somebody with a patent lawsuit, then you must list the specific patent (or patents) that you feel are being violated. In other words, either shit or get off the pot. None of this 'you may be violating one or more of our patents' BS.

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RE[2]: Which patents?
by wargum on Sat 1st May 2010 00:12 in reply to "RE: Which patents?"
wargum Member since:
2006-12-15

"In recent news, president Obama explained the new patent reform bill to the Senate. Quote: 'You either bring it on or you shut the f--k up! We just cannot accept these patent threads anymore! God bless America!'. We registered thunderous applause from both democrates and republicans."

-dreams

Edited 2010-05-01 00:14 UTC

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RE[2]: Which patents?
by Odwalla on Sat 1st May 2010 00:33 in reply to "RE: Which patents?"
Odwalla Member since:
2006-02-01

So contact your senator/representative express your opinion, convince them of the validity of your point of view, and then volunteer to help draft the legislation.

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RE[2]: Which patents?
by tyrione on Sat 1st May 2010 03:07 in reply to "RE: Which patents?"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

"It is all just crap until they say which patents and where Theora infringes. Show us the code SCO, show us the code.


I think when it comes to patents, there should be some kind of law that, if you're going to threaten somebody with a patent lawsuit, then you must list the specific patent (or patents) that you feel are being violated. In other words, either shit or get off the pot. None of this 'you may be violating one or more of our patents' BS.
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Since those patents are publicly listed, if you're going to create a video codec you'd better check before you invest.

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RE[2]: Which patents?
by marcp on Sat 1st May 2010 12:32 in reply to "RE: Which patents?"
marcp Member since:
2007-11-23

I'd say there should be law that forces the accusators to pay huge amount of money to accused when the accusations happens to be false-based. Either this, or law suit from the accused part of this 'deal'.

Overally I agree with you.

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RE: Which patents?
by vivainio on Fri 30th Apr 2010 22:37 in reply to "Which patents?"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

It is all just crap until they say which patents and where Theora infringes. Show us the code SCO, show us the code.


It's not at all unlikely that patents are actually being violated. And those patents are probably not frivolous ones, either, or something that could be worked around easily.

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RE[2]: Which patents?
by zlynx on Fri 30th Apr 2010 23:12 in reply to "RE: Which patents?"
zlynx Member since:
2005-07-20

But it is quite likely that any patents being violated have overly broad claims.

Overly broad claims are just standard practice for any patent.

Of course, by the time the court cases to actually decide are finished, the patents will have expired anyway.

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RE[2]: Which patents?
by phoudoin on Sat 1st May 2010 02:19 in reply to "RE: Which patents?"
phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

It's not at all unlikely that patents are actually being violated.


First, software patents should be legal. And it's not yet the case everywhere on this little and every day more crazier planet.

Steve, "All video codecs are covered by patents" ?

And? I really wonder how one could ever succeed to forbid a community of benevolent developers to write whatever piece of software they want and a community of users to actually use it!? No patent system could ever forbid someone to share with other people something he develop. Who cares about patent but patents holders, BTW?

But I hear all what you said, patent trolls. Thanks to remember me that I always could put my money where my mouth is.

Oh, and please, patent system, please continue to push to enforce your system throu the throat of people: the more you do it, the sooner they will bite you back. Hard.

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RE: Which patents?
by UltraZelda64 on Fri 30th Apr 2010 23:57 in reply to "Which patents?"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

From what I read out of the message, it looks like they'll tell us alright... in the form of lawsuits against people/companies/distributions/whatever distributing Theora codecs. They'd rather sue than get this straightened out in a more responsible and respectable manner.

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RE: Which patents?
by Sean Parsons on Sat 1st May 2010 00:22 in reply to "Which patents?"
Sean Parsons Member since:
2005-09-11

It is all just crap until they say which patents and where Theora infringes. Show us the code SCO, show us the code.


Amen to that. I'd also throw in the current patent threats MS is making against Android to be in the same vein.

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RE[2]: Which patents?
by kaiwai on Sat 1st May 2010 02:10 in reply to "RE: Which patents?"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Amen to that. I'd also throw in the current patent threats MS is making against Android to be in the same vein.


I'd love to know what patents Microsoft is claiming against Android - I know there is a move to support ActiveSync, but what technology has Android infringed on? it seems to be a stupid game of 'hide the sausage' as so far as Microsoft making accusations against a company and yet only the company and Microsoft know what patents have apparently been infringed. I'm not claiming that their position may be not be legitimate but it does raise questions when the patent holder refuses to divulge exactly what has been violated. There are claims of interface and operating system patents - but what specifically is it violating?

The worst part of this whole mess are the number of idiots that American voters keep voting in each year (senators, presidents, congressmen) who don't know the difference between copyright and patents; then again the US is the country where you win votes simply by bashing gays, promoting guns and declaring you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ(tm)

Edited 2010-05-01 02:12 UTC

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