Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 30th Apr 2010 21:40 UTC, submitted by Helge
Legal Well, this certainly explains a whole lot. Both Apple and Microsoft have stated that the legality of Theora is highly debatable, and as it turns out, they knew more than we do - most likely courtesy of their close involvement with the MPEG-LA. Responding to an email from Free Software Foundation Europe activist Hugo Roy, Steve Jobs has stated that a patent pool is being assembled to go after Theora. Update: Monty Montgomery of Xiph (Ogg and Theora's parent organisation) has responded on Slashdot: "If Jobs's email is genuine, this is a powerful public gaffe ('All video codecs are covered by patents'). He'd be confirming MPEG's assertion in plain language anyone can understand. It would only strengthen the pushback against software patents and add to Apple's increasing PR mess. Macbooks and iPads may be pretty sweet, but creative individuals don't really like to give their business to jackbooted thugs."
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RE: Which patents?
by WorknMan on Fri 30th Apr 2010 22:27 UTC in reply to "Which patents?"
WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

It is all just crap until they say which patents and where Theora infringes. Show us the code SCO, show us the code.


I think when it comes to patents, there should be some kind of law that, if you're going to threaten somebody with a patent lawsuit, then you must list the specific patent (or patents) that you feel are being violated. In other words, either shit or get off the pot. None of this 'you may be violating one or more of our patents' BS.

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RE[2]: Which patents?
by wargum on Sat 1st May 2010 00:12 in reply to "RE: Which patents?"
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2006-12-15

"In recent news, president Obama explained the new patent reform bill to the Senate. Quote: 'You either bring it on or you shut the f--k up! We just cannot accept these patent threads anymore! God bless America!'. We registered thunderous applause from both democrates and republicans."

-dreams

Edited 2010-05-01 00:14 UTC

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RE[3]: Which patents?
by marcp on Sat 1st May 2010 12:35 in reply to "RE[2]: Which patents?"
marcp Member since:
2007-11-23

Actually, there's almost nothing worst than U.S law.
It's scattered all over the states, every state has it's own "freak'a'boo" variation of the same law and it all depends on the precedenses - "when the man kills relative in anger and gets free, than every family-killer must not be pledged guilty".

Pure, fcuking nonsense, USA! sick.

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RE[2]: Which patents?
by Odwalla on Sat 1st May 2010 00:33 in reply to "RE: Which patents?"
Odwalla Member since:
2006-02-01

So contact your senator/representative express your opinion, convince them of the validity of your point of view, and then volunteer to help draft the legislation.

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RE[2]: Which patents?
by tyrione on Sat 1st May 2010 03:07 in reply to "RE: Which patents?"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

"It is all just crap until they say which patents and where Theora infringes. Show us the code SCO, show us the code.


I think when it comes to patents, there should be some kind of law that, if you're going to threaten somebody with a patent lawsuit, then you must list the specific patent (or patents) that you feel are being violated. In other words, either shit or get off the pot. None of this 'you may be violating one or more of our patents' BS.
"

Since those patents are publicly listed, if you're going to create a video codec you'd better check before you invest.

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RE[3]: Which patents?
by l3v1 on Sat 1st May 2010 07:10 in reply to "RE[2]: Which patents?"
l3v1 Member since:
2005-07-06

Since those patents are publicly listed, if you're going to create a video codec you'd better check before you invest.

Then you'd better stop coding any video coding related algorithm whatsoever. There are just so many alorithms and variations that form the basis of almost all codecs; above them the precious patent system let everyone&dog patent every damn small piece of crap they could come up with. In the end what you get is a damn high wall of stone around you.

The only solution is to come up with an idea that is so groundbeakingly new that nobody has ever tried to patent it - and you're f*cked, since creating, implementing, testing and transforming into an all-usable version a new video coding algorithm could take so many man-months of research and coding most people can't even imagine.

And then you'll need to proove you're as good or better than others, which will be followed by everyone else threatening with lawsuits, and so on and so forth.

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RE[3]: Which patents?
by marcp on Sat 1st May 2010 12:37 in reply to "RE[2]: Which patents?"
marcp Member since:
2007-11-23

Oh, really? Imagine creating a knife and having to look closely to every friggin' knife on the planet, just so you don't infringe any artificial PATENT. C'mon!

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RE[2]: Which patents?
by marcp on Sat 1st May 2010 12:32 in reply to "RE: Which patents?"
marcp Member since:
2007-11-23

I'd say there should be law that forces the accusators to pay huge amount of money to accused when the accusations happens to be false-based. Either this, or law suit from the accused part of this 'deal'.

Overally I agree with you.

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