Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 30th Apr 2010 21:40 UTC, submitted by Helge
Legal Well, this certainly explains a whole lot. Both Apple and Microsoft have stated that the legality of Theora is highly debatable, and as it turns out, they knew more than we do - most likely courtesy of their close involvement with the MPEG-LA. Responding to an email from Free Software Foundation Europe activist Hugo Roy, Steve Jobs has stated that a patent pool is being assembled to go after Theora. Update: Monty Montgomery of Xiph (Ogg and Theora's parent organisation) has responded on Slashdot: "If Jobs's email is genuine, this is a powerful public gaffe ('All video codecs are covered by patents'). He'd be confirming MPEG's assertion in plain language anyone can understand. It would only strengthen the pushback against software patents and add to Apple's increasing PR mess. Macbooks and iPads may be pretty sweet, but creative individuals don't really like to give their business to jackbooted thugs."
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RE[4]: arggh, f*ck patents
by UltraZelda64 on Fri 30th Apr 2010 22:40 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: arggh, f*ck patents"
UltraZelda64
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2006-12-05

Steve Jobs, you're a f***ing prick. Maybe another organ will go bad some day. Go to hell, Apple.

Sorry, had to let that out; Apple has really been pissing me off a lot lately, and I don't even own an Apple product. I'm seriously contemplating whether I should even bother getting a Mac now... I'm heavily leaning towards "HELL NO" right about now.

Edited 2010-04-30 22:44 UTC

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RE[5]: arggh, f*ck patents
by vivainio on Fri 30th Apr 2010 22:53 in reply to "RE[4]: arggh, f*ck patents"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

I'm seriously contemplating whether I should even bother getting a Mac now... I'm heavily leaning towards "HELL NO" right about now.


Why are you even contemplating this?

You don't need a Mac. The things you can do with Mac that you can't do with Linux, you sure as hell can do with Windows 7. Your soul will thank you later ;-).

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RE[6]: arggh, f*ck patents
by patrix on Fri 30th Apr 2010 23:05 in reply to "RE[5]: arggh, f*ck patents"
patrix Member since:
2006-05-21

Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer must be breaking out the ol' champagne lately, now that it's Apple who's Evil and everyone prefers Microsoft.

How soon we forget.

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RE[6]: arggh, f*ck patents
by UltraZelda64 on Fri 30th Apr 2010 23:43 in reply to "RE[5]: arggh, f*ck patents"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Why are you even contemplating this?

I wouldn't be, if I didn't have this high level of interest in software and operating systems to begin with. To be honest, I don't give a rat's ass about Apple's hardware (the list of complaints I have about it never ends...). It's the OS as well as the software running on top of it that interests me (even though I have many complaints about that too).

You don't need a Mac. The things you can do with Mac that you can't do with Linux, you sure as hell can do with Windows 7. Your soul will thank you later ;-).

True, but really, it'd be more of a toy to me. I guess I'm just a geek... heh. No matter how bad the price, lock-in, restrictions, attitude of the company and various other aspects are, it's always hard to reject playing with a new toy (piece of software). It's like a curse or something. It sucks, really.

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RE[6]: arggh, f*ck patents
by tylerdurden on Sat 1st May 2010 16:19 in reply to "RE[5]: arggh, f*ck patents"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

LOL, going from Apple to Microsoft... it is like telling people that if it gets too hot in the frying pan they could always jump into the flames.

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RE[5]: arggh, f*ck patents
by kaiwai on Sat 1st May 2010 01:38 in reply to "RE[4]: arggh, f*ck patents"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Steve Jobs, you're a f***ing prick. Maybe another organ will go bad some day. Go to hell, Apple.

Sorry, had to let that out; Apple has really been pissing me off a lot lately, and I don't even own an Apple product. I'm seriously contemplating whether I should even bother getting a Mac now... I'm heavily leaning towards "HELL NO" right about now.


For me the h264 is the least of my worries; the laundry list of problems I have with Apple have pretty much nothing to do with politics and everything to do with their products and policies. Take the Video Decoder Framework - only supporting three NVIDIA models even though VP3 has been available for many years on Nvidia based GPU's as sold in the past. Then there is the issue of ATI based video cards, what is happening with them? Why no video acceleration love for them? People talk about how Adobe uses the lack of video acceleration as an excuse, then how about this, why not give Adobe access to all they want and then prove them wrong: "we provided them with all that they want and Flash still sucks". Well, as someone pointed out early, the crippling of the Flash experience has less to do with altruistic motivations and everything to do with protecting the Apple Store under the banner of 'open standards'.

Then there is 10.6 which has breakage after breakage after breakage with each update; if Microsoft shipped that many updates with broken components there would be hell to pay and yet all of this is ignored. Then there is the issue of the i-devices being developed at the expense of the desktop - anyone remember the 10.5 fiasco where it was delayed because of the developers pre-occupied with the iPhone?

For me I don't care about the politics that go around but I do care when I'm getting shafted by the raw end of the stick; where hardware is deliberately crippled, support not extended to hardware that support it, where problems with the operating system are blamed on third parties not 'doing their job' when in reality it is the operating system vendor not fixing their operating system. Where third parties are blamed for the incompetence of the vendor; when the third party invites Apple and says, "lets work together to improve Flash" and all Apple can say is "piss off".

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RE[5]: arggh, f*ck patents
by oinet on Sat 1st May 2010 22:45 in reply to "RE[4]: arggh, f*ck patents"
oinet Member since:
2010-03-23

Go to hell, Apple.


I'd like to see it being chewn first.

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