Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 30th Apr 2010 21:40 UTC, submitted by Helge
Legal Well, this certainly explains a whole lot. Both Apple and Microsoft have stated that the legality of Theora is highly debatable, and as it turns out, they knew more than we do - most likely courtesy of their close involvement with the MPEG-LA. Responding to an email from Free Software Foundation Europe activist Hugo Roy, Steve Jobs has stated that a patent pool is being assembled to go after Theora. Update: Monty Montgomery of Xiph (Ogg and Theora's parent organisation) has responded on Slashdot: "If Jobs's email is genuine, this is a powerful public gaffe ('All video codecs are covered by patents'). He'd be confirming MPEG's assertion in plain language anyone can understand. It would only strengthen the pushback against software patents and add to Apple's increasing PR mess. Macbooks and iPads may be pretty sweet, but creative individuals don't really like to give their business to jackbooted thugs."
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RE: HARDCORE!
by Headrush on Fri 30th Apr 2010 23:25 UTC in reply to "HARDCORE!"
Headrush
Member since:
2006-01-03

Google should be militant now and open sorce VP8 tomorrow AND switch over YouTube to Flash + HTML5 with VP8 tomorrow. Apple would be screwed, then. Them Android phones (and webOS) could just use hardware accelerated Flash and Apple would stand alone, totally naked! I can't stop smiling by that thought.

Personal sediments aside, I'm afraid to tell you Apple wouldn't be screwed. You open it up and Apple could use it also.

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RE[2]: HARDCORE!
by wargum on Fri 30th Apr 2010 23:36 in reply to "RE: HARDCORE!"
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2006-12-15

Personal sediments aside, I'm afraid to tell you Apple wouldn't be screwed. You open it up and Apple could use it also.

No! Their iDevices only have hardware acceleration for H.264, like everybode else. But if YouTube would only give you that inside a Flash container, Apple would be screwed. Their beautiful devices could only decode VP8 in VGA like resolutions. This would be so DOS like ;)

Got it?

The only way they could overcome this would be implementing Flash Player, which they wouldn't.

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RE[3]: HARDCORE!
by Zifre on Sat 1st May 2010 00:17 in reply to "RE[2]: HARDCORE!"
Zifre Member since:
2009-10-04

Their beautiful devices could only decode VP8 in VGA like resolutions.

VGA like resolutions? Isn't that basically what a phones screen resolution is? Is there really any point in being able to decode higher resolutions?

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RE[3]: HARDCORE!
by pgeorgi on Sat 1st May 2010 18:36 in reply to "RE[2]: HARDCORE!"
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2010-02-18

No! Their iDevices only have hardware acceleration for H.264, like everybode else.

They'd probably ask their supplier to provide a new (and exclusive) firmware for the video codec function to accelerate Theora within 2 weeks (remember, acceleration is mostly software), and make sure no part of the system but the YouTube player is able to use it (so all other users of the platform still rely on h.264)

And just state in the changelog "re-enabled YouTube player" to obfuscate things slightly. And change the search provider to Bing in retaliation.

By the way, if I'm not mistaken about the chip in the older iDevices, its video codec function's firmware also ships with support for VC1, mpeg-4 (non AVC) and some realvideo version (probably the latest, which is said to be derived from mpeg). So it's not only h.264 they could support.

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RE[2]: HARDCORE!
by lemur2 on Sat 1st May 2010 08:43 in reply to "RE: HARDCORE!"
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2007-02-17

"Google should be militant now and open sorce VP8 tomorrow AND switch over YouTube to Flash + HTML5 with VP8 tomorrow. Apple would be screwed, then. Them Android phones (and webOS) could just use hardware accelerated Flash and Apple would stand alone, totally naked! I can't stop smiling by that thought.

Personal sediments aside, I'm afraid to tell you Apple wouldn't be screwed. You open it up and Apple could use it also.
"

Apple would, however, become a pariah worse than Microsoft.

No longer would Apple be seen as cool but expensive, but instead Apple products would be seen as undesirable, closed and expensive.

Word of mouth and bad PR karma could kill Apple within the year.

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RE[3]: HARDCORE!
by vivainio on Sat 1st May 2010 09:21 in reply to "RE[2]: HARDCORE!"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26


Word of mouth and bad PR karma could kill Apple within the year.


You put *way* too much faith in the clout geeks have in the consumer market.

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