Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 30th Apr 2010 21:40 UTC, submitted by Helge
Legal Well, this certainly explains a whole lot. Both Apple and Microsoft have stated that the legality of Theora is highly debatable, and as it turns out, they knew more than we do - most likely courtesy of their close involvement with the MPEG-LA. Responding to an email from Free Software Foundation Europe activist Hugo Roy, Steve Jobs has stated that a patent pool is being assembled to go after Theora. Update: Monty Montgomery of Xiph (Ogg and Theora's parent organisation) has responded on Slashdot: "If Jobs's email is genuine, this is a powerful public gaffe ('All video codecs are covered by patents'). He'd be confirming MPEG's assertion in plain language anyone can understand. It would only strengthen the pushback against software patents and add to Apple's increasing PR mess. Macbooks and iPads may be pretty sweet, but creative individuals don't really like to give their business to jackbooted thugs."
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RE[6]: arggh, f*ck patents
by UltraZelda64 on Fri 30th Apr 2010 23:43 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: arggh, f*ck patents"
UltraZelda64
Member since:
2006-12-05

Why are you even contemplating this?

I wouldn't be, if I didn't have this high level of interest in software and operating systems to begin with. To be honest, I don't give a rat's ass about Apple's hardware (the list of complaints I have about it never ends...). It's the OS as well as the software running on top of it that interests me (even though I have many complaints about that too).

You don't need a Mac. The things you can do with Mac that you can't do with Linux, you sure as hell can do with Windows 7. Your soul will thank you later ;-).

True, but really, it'd be more of a toy to me. I guess I'm just a geek... heh. No matter how bad the price, lock-in, restrictions, attitude of the company and various other aspects are, it's always hard to reject playing with a new toy (piece of software). It's like a curse or something. It sucks, really.

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RE[7]: arggh, f*ck patents
by nt_jerkface on Sat 1st May 2010 01:45 in reply to "RE[6]: arggh, f*ck patents"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26


True, but really, it'd be more of a toy to me. I guess I'm just a geek... heh. No matter how bad the price, lock-in, restrictions, attitude of the company and various other aspects are, it's always hard to reject playing with a new toy (piece of software). It's like a curse or something. It sucks, really.


Get a Mac mini from ebay. That way you can continue with your one man protest while not sending the company a dime.

If just want it for a toy then you don't want to spend that much money anyways. I do testing in OSX sometimes and while the geeky side of me likes playing with something different it's never been appealing enough to make me switch from completely. The nice thing about the Mac mini is that if you get bored of it you can put it in a drawer and use the monitor for something else.

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RE[8]: arggh, f*ck patents
by bhtooefr on Sat 1st May 2010 11:22 in reply to "RE[7]: arggh, f*ck patents"
bhtooefr Member since:
2009-02-19

However, buying a used Apple product gives money to a person who paid for Apple products, and is likely to do it again.

Conversely, selling Apple products to get rid of them puts them into the ecosystem, and they're designed to give money to Apple well after purchase, especially the mobile devices.

Myself, I'm keeping my Second-Jobs-era Apple products, and just not using them.

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RE[7]: arggh, f*ck patents
by woegjiub on Sat 1st May 2010 07:57 in reply to "RE[6]: arggh, f*ck patents"
woegjiub Member since:
2008-11-25

If you're only after the OS, there's always virtualbox.
The new version has OSX Guest support.

That or hackintoshes, which are a nice way to stick it to apple :p

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RE[8]: arggh, f*ck patents
by Morgan on Sat 1st May 2010 08:39 in reply to "RE[7]: arggh, f*ck patents"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

Lately, even using my Hackintosh leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Apple has been skirting around being overbearing pricks for a while now, but this comment from Jobs really puts it out there.

Sadly, after this bombshell even going back to Linux as a main OS won't shield me from Apple's strong arm. I am appalled, and disgusted.

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RE[8]: arggh, f*ck patents
by nt_jerkface on Sat 1st May 2010 19:38 in reply to "RE[7]: arggh, f*ck patents"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

It's supported in the beta and there's also a legal issue which is why I'm not going to recommend it.

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