Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 30th Apr 2010 21:40 UTC, submitted by Helge
Legal Well, this certainly explains a whole lot. Both Apple and Microsoft have stated that the legality of Theora is highly debatable, and as it turns out, they knew more than we do - most likely courtesy of their close involvement with the MPEG-LA. Responding to an email from Free Software Foundation Europe activist Hugo Roy, Steve Jobs has stated that a patent pool is being assembled to go after Theora. Update: Monty Montgomery of Xiph (Ogg and Theora's parent organisation) has responded on Slashdot: "If Jobs's email is genuine, this is a powerful public gaffe ('All video codecs are covered by patents'). He'd be confirming MPEG's assertion in plain language anyone can understand. It would only strengthen the pushback against software patents and add to Apple's increasing PR mess. Macbooks and iPads may be pretty sweet, but creative individuals don't really like to give their business to jackbooted thugs."
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RE[4]: Flash for Future?
by segedunum on Sun 2nd May 2010 22:09 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Flash for Future?"
segedunum
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2005-07-06

Flash has historically used Sorensen Spark and the On2 protocol like VP6 before adding h.264 itself, but nevertheless, what you receive at your end distributed over the internet is still Flash specific and you still need to re-encode if you target the web. Bulk transcoding is still very difficult so most of the video remains in the previous two codecs behind the scenes.

People seem to think they can claim this as popular h.264 support for web video. They can't.

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RE[5]: Flash for Future?
by bhtooefr on Sun 2nd May 2010 22:14 in reply to "RE[4]: Flash for Future?"
bhtooefr Member since:
2009-02-19

It's not a re-encode, it's a container format change.

And, if you support what's in the container, you can support the container without too much additional work.

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RE[6]: Flash for Future?
by segedunum on Sun 2nd May 2010 22:41 in reply to "RE[5]: Flash for Future?"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

It's not a re-encode, it's a container format change.

Support for a new codec has nothing to do with the container. Most web video for Flash is still Sorensen and VP6 behind the scenes, so yes, we are talking about a mass re-encode job if we're going to somehow claim that h.264 is widely used for web video currently.

Again, trying to somehow claim h.264 is widely used for web video because Flash video can now support it as an input is just plain wrong. I'm afraid you're talking nonsense. Moving to h.264 is a hell of a lot more than simply switching from Flash to HTML5 video as a container.

Edited 2010-05-02 22:44 UTC

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