Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 3rd May 2010 22:04 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Remember how Mark Shuttleworth justified moving the window titlebar widgets to the left by claiming the space freed up on the right side could now be used for something else? On his blog, Shuttleworth unveiled what, exactly, Ubuntu's plans are: window indicators, or 'windicators'. In a nutshell, it comes down to having a tray area in every window.
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RE: Pure Awesome
by phoenix on Tue 4th May 2010 04:38 UTC in reply to "Pure Awesome"
phoenix
Member since:
2005-07-11

"Why do you need a volume control in the title bar, Rhythmbox and Mplayer already have a volume control in their window"

Ubuntu supports per-application volume controls through Pulseaudio already. Now you can turn your instant messenger's volume up and down. With a Windicator, you don't need to take a trip to the volume control application. Win!


If the application already includes a volume control, why would you want another one stuffed into the top-right corner ... right next to the global volume control? If you go to the top-right for volume ... why not just use the global volume control?

"Why do you want client-side window decorations"

Program's logo in the title bar instead of just text... it's nice eye-candy and it's easier to distinguish between programs that way too.


Program logos are already in the title bar, in the top-left corner. Have been for years. Client-side decorations will lead to all kinds of horribleness in UI-consistency. After all, what's the point of a window manager, if not to manage the windows? ;) Now you want all applications to be window managers as well?

"What use is it"

I'm using Opera at the moment, on a 22 inch widescreen monitor. There's a bar at the bottom of the window that shows Opera Link, Opera Unite, Opera Turbo and the page magnification. This is using up vertical space. Those icons are not suitable as Indicators (there are too many of them and they don't make sense in a system-wide context) but they are perfect as Windicators. Save some pixels!


Or, stuff them into the toolbar. No client-side decorations support required.

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RE[2]: Pure Awesome
by WereCatf on Tue 4th May 2010 05:40 in reply to "RE: Pure Awesome"
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2006-02-15

If the application already includes a volume control, why would you want another one stuffed into the top-right corner

The application's own volume control could then be removed. POOF, problem gone.

If you go to the top-right for volume ... why not just use the global volume control?

Seriously, this is a stupid question: you've never wanted to adjust the volume your music plays at while still having all your other audio sources play at the same volume as before?

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RE[3]: Pure Awesome
by phoenix on Tue 4th May 2010 14:42 in reply to "RE[2]: Pure Awesome"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

If you go to the top-right for volume ... why not just use the global volume control?

Seriously, this is a stupid question: you've never wanted to adjust the volume your music plays at while still having all your other audio sources play at the same volume as before?


Ah, but doesn't the global volume mixer include support for each application, thus negating the need for the windicator?

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RE[3]: Pure Awesome
by segedunum on Tue 4th May 2010 17:41 in reply to "RE[2]: Pure Awesome"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

The application's own volume control could then be removed. POOF, problem gone.

Why? All you're doing is moving the volume control to a new non-standard place that will fill up with yet more crap.

Seriously, this is a stupid question: you've never wanted to adjust the volume your music plays at while still having all your other audio sources play at the same volume as before?

No. It's a nice thing to have when you're at a fixed workstation where you are comfortable where all your volume levels should be at, but if you're on a laptop where you interchange between headphones or even worse, speakers in an office, it's asking for trouble. It's a nice-to-have thing, but a niche thing at that.

The single biggest gotcha with sound not working is either that the volume is too low or that sound is muted. Now extrapolate that problem to multiple applications. Think about it.

Edited 2010-05-04 17:56 UTC

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RE[2]: Pure Awesome
by Lamego on Thu 6th May 2010 23:31 in reply to "RE: Pure Awesome"
Lamego Member since:
2006-01-12


If the application already includes a volume control, why would you want another one stuffed into the top-right corner ... right next to the global volume control? If you go to the top-right for volume ... why not just use the global volume control?

Because you want to change the application volume and not the system volume?
Program logos are already in the title bar, in the top-left corner. Have been for years.

We must been using different windows managers, I don't have any.
Client-side decorations will lead to all kinds of horribleness in UI-consistency. After all, what's the point of a window manager, if not to manage the windows? ;) Now you want all applications to be window managers as well?

People care about applications and how to interact with them, not about having a windows manager.

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RE[3]: Pure Awesome
by phoenix on Fri 7th May 2010 04:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Pure Awesome"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

"
If the application already includes a volume control, why would you want another one stuffed into the top-right corner ... right next to the global volume control? If you go to the top-right for volume ... why not just use the global volume control?

Because you want to change the application volume and not the system volume?
"

Which is accessible via the system volume control.

"Program logos are already in the title bar, in the top-left corner. Have been for years.

We must been using different windows managers, I don't have any.
"

Wow, that's sad. I honestly cannot remember a time when I didn't see the program logo/icon in the top-left of the window. Maybe it's time to look into different WMs? ;) KDE has had this for aeons.

"Client-side decorations will lead to all kinds of horribleness in UI-consistency. After all, what's the point of a window manager, if not to manage the windows? ;) Now you want all applications to be window managers as well?

People care about applications and how to interact with them, not about having a windows manager.
"

Yes, and it's the WM that makes that easy, intuitive, and consistent. Going from KDE to Windows shows just how bad things can be when the WM is short on features and everything is handled by the app (client).

Edited 2010-05-07 04:33 UTC

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