Linked by Kroc Camen on Thu 6th May 2010 07:54 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems In 2009 ARM showed off prototype netbooks "capable of driving HD content, can surf the web for 8 hours, and will cost round and about 250 USD". Yet still, none have made it to the market. Why do you think this is so? Because ARM signed a deal with Adobe in 2008 to bring Flash and AIR to the ARM architecture, a promise they will finally deliver later this year. And you wonder why Apple won't have Flash on the iPhone when it can hold back an entire product category for two years.
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fatjoe
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2010-01-12

We don't really like Flash on osnews, none of us do. But neither do we like being told what to think, or see some company with a hidden agenda limit our choices just to increase their own market share and profitability.

That being said, if you had been following the debate you would know that Kroc and Thom don't agree at all (which is a good thing, I mean, we don't want OSnews to become another iNgadget). Unfortunately, they are also becoming a little predictive, which was the point of my post ;)

Edited 2010-05-06 10:07 UTC

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jabjoe Member since:
2009-05-06

Yer, I free admit I wasn't noting who wrote what and only noticed the anti-Flash bias. ;-)

I assume you mean Apple by "But neither do we like being told what to think, or see some company with a hidden agenda limit our choices just to increase their own market share and profitability."

I don't think ARM are doing an Apple. They are just saying Flash is a problem for them getting devices to market, and I think that probably is true. A iPhone might be able to get away with it because it's not just a web browser, but devices that are mainly web devices would seam pretty rubbish if they can't access big chunks of the web.

I disagree with Apple on many many things, but not being pro-Flash isn't one of them. Them claiming it's about freedom then being pro-h264, and further locking down the iStore, is just a little hard to swallow though.

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fatjoe Member since:
2010-01-12

We seem to agree on all but one point: ARM laptops being delayed because of Adobe? I just don't believe that! I think the delay was due to these
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1. both ARM and TSMC underestimated the challenges of low-power multi-GHz design.
2. ARM is still experimenting with their GPU line!
3. Intel moved Atom manufacturing to TSMC mostly to delay ARM development (I bet you didn't thought of that one!!)
4. ARM wasted a lot of resources on low-power embedded models: Cortex-M0, M1, M3, M5 and M6.
5. on a tablet/notebook, the CPU/GPU power is a fraction of the LCD power anyway. Manufacturers had to wait for AMOLED to become cheaper.
6. sure, ARM may have been delayed a few weeks due to Flash issues ;)
7. TSMC was switching to a lower node and had as usual allocated a lot of resources for next generation FPGAs (due to their simple structure, memories and FPGAs are always the first to be tested on a new process node)
8. who knows, maybe ARM is busy with the cellphone market and isn't really interested in laptops at the moment...
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Well ... I could be dead wrong, but at least I do my own thinking ;)

Edited 2010-05-06 11:39 UTC

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