Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 6th May 2010 09:54 UTC
Internet & Networking Another blow for Flash. As Adobe is stating that they will make the best tools for HTML5, another major website using Flash has announced they're switching over to HTML5. Scribd, which provides in-browser access to all sorts of documents and e-books uploaded by users, will ditch its Flash-based website in favour of a brand-new HTML5 version.
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ummmm... who cares?
by re_re on Thu 6th May 2010 11:37 UTC
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2005-07-06

For god sakes ... you guys always make a big deal of this nonsense. You realize this is just the free market taking it's course.. I do realize that many of you don't believe in the free market (although you say you do), but yeah ...... the market works itself out.

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RE: ummmm... who cares?
by l3v1 on Thu 6th May 2010 12:55 in reply to "ummmm... who cares?"
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2005-07-06

[ somewhat offtopic ramblings coming up, you've been warned ;) ]

Well, that's very liberal thinking, some might actually agree with that, I also partially do. But the fact is, sometimes you can see decisions being made that can lead to such wide changes in the web landscape that [could] result in something not all of us would like to see. E.g. changing certain ways of doing things into solutions that either [could] make the web a more closed and constrained environment, or leading to adoption of formats and delivery methods that point to a selected few holding the control in their hands.

In the case of scribd using flash or html5 to display textual contents in a closed-down format, it's not a big deal, since in essence from the point of view of the users not much changes. But, as just one superficial example, content filtering in all-html5 pages will be much more harder than now with flash. Same thing going around around h.264/free alternatives, from the typical enduser point of view not much change, but in general we could end up in a cell not easy to move around in.

Back to the let the market drive thought, in the above cases it's not really the market that drives these things, it's the desires of certain companies to have tighter control over certain aspects of web content delivery, and them trying to convince others that their solutions actually try to solve some problems that we have. But it's very seldom their problems coincide with the average users' problems.

Edited 2010-05-06 12:57 UTC

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RE[2]: ummmm... who cares?
by Kroc on Thu 6th May 2010 13:07 in reply to "RE: ummmm... who cares?"
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2005-11-10

content filtering in all-html5 pages will be much more harder than now with flash


I can tell you now it's not. Try the Element Hiding Helper addon for AdBlock Plus. Click an element and you can hide it, or customise the CSS selector to target it.

HTML content gives us far more control over what content we see than any technology before it. You can veto anything and reshape anything according to tastes.

For example, see what I've done here: http://camendesign.com/art/if-i-designed-engadget. With Flash, it's all or nothing.

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RE[2]: ummmm... who cares?
by nt_jerkface on Sat 8th May 2010 20:50 in reply to "RE: ummmm... who cares?"
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2009-08-26


Back to the let the market drive thought, in the above cases it's not really the market that drives these things,


The market is there, the problem is that it doesn't value the same things that you do.

For example even though Silverlight is technically superior to Flash it is still having problems getting adopted since the install base of Flash is of greater value to companies than any technical advantages that Silverlight offers.

Good enough tech + high install base is typically favored by the market over better tech + low install base.

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RE: ummmm... who cares?
by spiderman on Thu 6th May 2010 15:13 in reply to "ummmm... who cares?"
spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23

WTF it is not the free market, it's the hand of god. If god didn't decided so, it would not be so you idiot.
Or is it Gaïa?

Please get a brain man. The free market isn't the almighty force that will provide us with naked virgins and save us from the wrath of Satan.

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