Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 6th May 2010 21:05 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu The recently released 10.04 version of Ubuntu is the third Long Term Support (LTS) version Canonical has released. I installed this new version on four of my laptops (2 netbooks, 1 normal laptop, 1 portable desktop replacement), and here's my impression of it.
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RE[7]: lethal upgrade
by lemur2 on Fri 7th May 2010 10:12 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: lethal upgrade"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

" It is crystal clear to me which of these OS systems is better for use on the desktop for average people, and unequivocally it isn't Windows.


Just keep that tiring Linux advocacy going and the world will care. Right.

Remember to put some M-dollar-signs there to make it more convincing.
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This, people will notice, has absolutely nothing to do with the point. A blatant attempt at deflection, nothing more.

The point being that the "desktop experience" with Ubuntu was vastly superior to that with Windows, in every way. Installing the OS, booting it, running it, updating it, upgrading it, keeping it free of malware, keeping it free of nags and from ads begging for your money, keeping it tidy and running smoothly, adding functionality ... whatever you name, the experience is better with a good Linux distribution.

BTW, as far as updates goes ... here in Australia, ISPs like to charge a fortune for bandwidth. This is offset somewhat by ISPs offering local mirrors for some files which do not count towards bandwidth usage. My own ISP is Internode, and this is their "unmetered" mirror site:

http://mirror.internode.on.net/
http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/

There is a choice of twenty or so Linux distributions mirrored here, so one can choose from any of those and updates can be downloaded "unmetered".

There is no mirror, however, you will notice, for "Windows Updates". These have to be downloaded from a Microsoft server.

In Australia, if you have a low data cap, such as for a mobile broadband USB modem for example, you simply cannot afford to keep that Windows system updated. It would cost you a fortune in Internet bandwidth fees.

Once again, the experience with Linux is vastly superior.

Edited 2010-05-07 10:19 UTC

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RE[8]: lethal upgrade
by talaf on Fri 7th May 2010 11:03 in reply to "RE[7]: lethal upgrade"
talaf Member since:
2008-11-19

What a load of utter crap you're throwing, again. You very well know the only reason that you were forced to follow this excuse of a procedure isn't because of Windows, nor drivers per-say, but because the crapware coming with the printer has to be installed before. Blame the real culprit, the printer manufacturer that cannot create a good driver without useless bloatware (windows printing management is fine and has been for like 10 years). I'm positive you knew that as well, you just couldn't resist some easy windows bashing could you? ;)

What's also fun is that you're very prone to discard anecdotes from other people about bad experiences on Linux, and yet still you jump on this bandwagon when you have one with windows ;) How ironic! I'm not even mentioning the blatant lies about how you had to "reboot 20+ times" to upgrade w/e windows version you were installing. Iirc it rebooted once when I installed windows 7, and I maybe had to do another one or 2 to _update_ graphic and various drivers.

Also, your "upgrade" protocol is easy to understand for computer geeks, but not the average user, face it. Fact is, anyone literate enough about computers to manage that upgrade protocol probably knows how to maintain windows installs clean. It's actually easy, don't install the random crap thrown at you, especially on borderline websites! You should try it. 9 months after 7, computer still boots as fast as it did, goes to and back from sleeps in mere seconds (and the "lag" is most likely due to my dual screen settings changing between my docks).

Ubuntu 10.04 is a fantastic release, and it does not need fanboism such as yours to get the place it deserves in the OS world. I honestly think Linux is readily usable for (most) desktops now. Steam and games like HoN coming along will only cater faster adoptions, but it does not condone blind and useless misinformation.

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RE[9]: lethal upgrade
by darknexus on Fri 7th May 2010 11:43 in reply to "RE[8]: lethal upgrade"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Also, your "upgrade" protocol is easy to understand for computer geeks, but not the average user, face it

Actually, I don't see many non-geeks actually doing an operating system upgrade. Typically, they get someone who knows computers to do it or sometimes they just buy a new computer. The fact is that os upgrades can go seriously south. I've seen it with Linux, with Windows, with OpenBSD, and with OS X. Upgrades can be tricky depending on the system and driver configuration. I know a lot of non-geeks, none of which have ever tried an os upgrade. Typically they pay me to do it. ;)

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RE[9]: lethal upgrade
by lemur2 on Fri 7th May 2010 11:52 in reply to "RE[8]: lethal upgrade"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Ubuntu 10.04 is a fantastic release, and it does not need fanboism such as yours to get the place it deserves in the OS world.


This entire rant, and others like it, are mere deflection.

It is not fanboism to state facts.

The facts are these: Ubuntu is significantly easier to install, faster to boot, cleaner and faster to run, will work with far more hardware, is vastly easier to maintain (both in terms of update and in terms of keeping it malware free), and it has a huge array of available, excellent desktop application software that is vastly more than 99% of users will ever use or need.

The only area it is deficient is availability: most ordinary people will never be offered it, and they wouldn't know how to get it even if they had heard of it and wanted to give it a try.

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RE[9]: lethal upgrade
by lemur2 on Fri 7th May 2010 12:43 in reply to "RE[8]: lethal upgrade"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

You very well know the only reason that you were forced to follow this excuse of a procedure isn't because of Windows, nor drivers per-say, but because the crapware coming with the printer has to be installed before. Blame the real culprit, the printer manufacturer that cannot create a good driver without useless bloatware (windows printing management is fine and has been for like 10 years). I'm positive you knew that as well


It doesn't matter what I know or don't know, what matters to an average person is that when they open the box, the first thing they pull out is a great big glossy colour sheet with "Easy install instructions" written on it in very bold letters. Also written very prominently, very bold, is the dire warning "DO NOT CONNECT THE PRINTER FIRST".

Of course, following these instructions is the very way to go about having a fairly miserable install experience.

Mind you, NOT following the instructions and actually plugging in the printer will send Windows Vista and Windows 7 off on a driver hunt to Microsoft's site, which will cost you download bandwidth bucks (at least it will in my country). And after the driver is installed, either way, there is a need to re-boot to get it to work.

Either way, the Ubuntu experience ... plug it in, turn it on and 20 seconds later (without re-boot, without inserting any DVDs, and without any downloads) the printer is configured and ready to print ... this is a far better experience in anyone's language.

Edited 2010-05-07 12:43 UTC

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