Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 10th May 2010 14:55 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless When Apple sued HTC, and targeted Android specifically (news which came out of the blue), many people, including myself, were convinced this was Apple letting the world know they were afraid of Android's rising popularity. This notion was laughed away by many an Apple fan, but it turns out that this is most likely far closer to reality than many dare to admit: in the first quarter of 2010, Android conquered the number two market share spot from the iPhone in the US - and by a wide margin too. Update: Added a graph which better shows the trend.
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RE[2]: Devious
by Fettarme H-Milch on Mon 10th May 2010 16:14 UTC in reply to "RE: Devious"
Fettarme H-Milch
Member since:
2010-02-16

H264 is bad because it shackles the web to a proprietary standard, which will hurt innovation and the little guy on the web, while also opening the door to litigation.

MPEG-LA clearly states on the AVC licensing page of their website that only commercially acting enterprises with more than 100,000 customers per year are required to pay licensing fees. All others are free to go.

There is no such clause regarding Android patents by MS.

I tell you who "the little guy" is: It's not someone with more than 100,000 customers per year. It's the self-employed guy who owns a small phone shop and who's now in constant threat to be sued by Microsoft when he sells Android phones that are not from HTC -- no matter if he has less or more than 100,000 customers.

If Microsoft really were certain about its patents being infringed upon, it would have no qualms about showing us the patents in question.

MS showed the affected patents to HTC. If those weren't valid, HTC would not signed the deal. In fact in a potential battle against Microsoft, HTC would have the upper hand: HTC is the biggest manufacturer of Windows Mobile phones.
If HTC was to drop its complete Windows Mobile lineup, Windows Phone 7 would be dead before it even launched. MS would be wiped off the handheld map.

BTW: Did you even ask Microsoft which patents are the cause of the licensing deal? Or are you just making it up that "Microsoft has been remarkably reluctant to show us proof"?

Microsoft has an entire website dedicated to patent licensing, along with a contact e-mail address:
http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/en/us/intellectualproperty/ipl...

Edited 2010-05-10 16:24 UTC

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RE[3]: Devious
by JAlexoid on Mon 10th May 2010 20:45 in reply to "RE[2]: Devious"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

HTC is the biggest manufacturer of Windows Mobile phones.


And they are not stupid enough to drop that valuable segment. Plain and simple.

BTW: Did you even ask Microsoft which patents are the cause of the licensing deal?


OSNews probably did not, but CNet did. And the patents remain undisclosed.

Or are you just making it up that "Microsoft has been remarkably reluctant to show us proof"?


Oh, you must be unaware of the claims from Microsoft that Linux infrindes on over 200 patents?

Microsoft has an entire website dedicated to patent licensing, along with a contact e-mail address:
http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/en/us/intellectualproperty/ipl...


The only actual publicly disclosed agreement on IP is with Novell. So read the page before you refer to it, please. The only place where HTC appears is "Exchange ActiveSync Protocol Licensees"

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RE[4]: Devious
by Fettarme H-Milch on Mon 10th May 2010 21:29 in reply to "RE[3]: Devious"
Fettarme H-Milch Member since:
2010-02-16

Oh, you must be unaware of the claims from Microsoft that Linux infrindes on over 200 patents?

That has nothing to do with the concrete licensing deal that was signed with HTC.

HTC and MS signed a deal about Andoid patents which confirms that Android uses techniques that are patented by MS or HTC wouldn't have signed it. MS would've not taken such steps that annoy its biggest licensee of Windows Mobile -- Motorola would be a good target for a PR stunt. Motorola only sells Android phones and is way to poor for a long-running lawsuit.

But that actually not the point. The point is that Android is defended by you guys (as you just proved). You just stick you head in the sand and pretend no patent is valid.
OTOH you guys have no problem bashing AVC based on misinformation. The AVC licensing terms on the MPEG-LA website are very clear that no "little guys" are even required to pay fees as aren't low volume businesses with less than 100,000 paying customers per year.

As a side, note unlike Android, MeeGo is actually safe from patent threats. Intel and Nokia both guaranty that they will defend any MeeGo adopter who is being threatened. See http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/04/meego_linux_mobile_android_...

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RE[3]: Devious
by arpan on Tue 11th May 2010 15:09 in reply to "RE[2]: Devious"
arpan Member since:
2006-07-30

HTC sells windows phones because it makes them money. If they didn't sell them, somebody else might. How does dropping Windows phones help them?

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